lightwieght twin trapeze dinghy
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Topic: lightwieght twin trapeze dinghy
Posted By: sailorguy
Subject: lightwieght twin trapeze dinghy
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 7:15am
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My bother and I are looking for a twin trapeze dinghy, preferably which can be found for low prices 2nd hand, for two lightwieght crew. I am 16 and 58kg, and my bro is 57kg ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 8:01am
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oh god, you did not just say that! You will now find the floodgates opening, but with just about every answer being.....and i say this with a whisper cherub ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 8:14am
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i do have that in my mind as an option, but i couldn't findany cheap ones for sale closer than Canada ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 9:04am
29er XX For one design racing  ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 9:43am
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quite expensive aren't they? ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 10:30am
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Cherub on ebay at the moment, if memory serves right. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 10:38am
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If you can extend your budget a bit, the RS800 might be worth look, seen some older ones come up for £3500(ish) lately. Prices may drop further if the market direction swins more towards the 29erXX.... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: GraemeB
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 11:15am
| Have a think about a B14.........you DON'T need traps to go fast. There are plenty great buys on the class website plus the worlds are in the UK next year. |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 11:16am
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You found a cherub for sale in canada?! There is a very nice cherub for sale on ebay at the moment as Rupert very rightly says, but it would not really be suitable for twin wiring. It may be an old boat but I think you would be greatly suprised by the performance compared to your Laser 2... I went from a laser 2 to a cherub and definitely crapped myself on the first sail! Ah, how much are you looking to spend and where are you based? I will try and sort you out a test sail. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 12:34pm
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I didnt even know any cherubs had made it to canada! could you let us know where you found the boat? sure there would be quite a few people in the class interested to know. A lightweight twin trapeze dinghy though? there really is only one choice. The only issue is that cherubs are very hard to find secondhand at the moment... Eggbert the Nasty is the only boat I know of for sale ad as tim says: its a pretty old boat and wooden but beutifully restored and a perfect entry to single wire cherubing while you look out for a newer boat. http://www.uk-cherub.org - http://www.uk-cherub.org ------------- |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 1:49pm
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http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F120049/ Enjoy  ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 5:42pm
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thanks to everyone for replys. we live in London during termtime, but in St Mawes, Cornwall during the holidays - we keep all the boats in St Mawes. The cherub on ebay caught my eye, but seeing as one of our most important criteria was twin trapeze, and this boat was not set up for twin trapeze, it is probably best left for others. i also can not really handle the hassle of having wooden boat due to living a long way away from where it would be kept. 29er XX was on my list, but due to price and lack of 2nd hand boats around, it isn't really an option. i'd love to try though! i have just looked at the rs800 sites and couldn't find many for a price within our budget, but will continue to look out for bargins. thanks everyone, more ideas welcome! ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 5:57pm
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l5k are going for >1000 but there not light weight ------------- Lark 2170 |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 6:55pm
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270034259912&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&a mp;item=270034259912&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AI T&rd=1 not lightweight, but a bargain!!! ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 06 Oct 06 at 10:40pm
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Putting twin strings on that Cherub is very easy and it would be a good class for you from what you've said. Oh, and by the way Nice Avatar!!!!  ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: SetSail
Date Posted: 07 Oct 06 at 12:04am
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Despite what i think about topper now, has to be the SPICE!! Aimed at lightweight crews, one design, cheap 2nd hand market. Had the 'pleasure' of having 1 for 2 years and i was actually sorry to see it go in the end. Have now however, moved into the 800. http://www.topper-spice.com/ - http://www.topper-spice.com/ ------------- RS821 - Now for sale, PM for details |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 07 Oct 06 at 12:28am
The spice is quite fun despite what people say. Really quick to rig, easy to sail and very manageable in really crazy winds. It is not going to pace 29ers and 800s but the bow rides crazy high with the kite up and it feels faster than it is. It is a bit querky and a dog upwind. I sailed one a bit on and off and enjoyed it even though I sail a 14. |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 07 Oct 06 at 11:36am
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... and plenty of them hidden in the hedges at sailing clubs around the UK! ------------- Javelin 558 Contender 2574 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 07 Oct 06 at 2:38pm
Umm... Spice would be fun sailing in Carrick Roads, and very cheap. Prob a better bet of a boat than a Cherub if you are going to leave it down there for summer sailing. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 3:00pm
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Cheap 14s and 5000s are probs gunna be your best bets ! i paid 1750 for
mine and its given me the money back in sheer enjoyment already! ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 6:39pm
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He said "I am 16 and 58kg, and my bro is 57kg". They would have issues even righting a 14, some of the older ones even have Al masts making this problem worse! 14s don't need a lot of wind to be fun downwind. You can be blasting around twin wiring without too much breeze at all |
Much as I love mine, I'm not sure it is the right boat for lightweight 16 year olds though.Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 9:50pm
Very good point Mark, not sure about the Boss but if its anything like the 5000, it will be near impossible to right with 110kg (odd) on the board. Had two of us weighing over 140kg hanging off a righting line and the thing seeming to take an eternity to right. I can right the 49er with my own weight (77kg) on the board but reckon it wouldn't be possible in any wind with a 5000. Spice may be an option but if that's the case, why not just buy a cheap 4000 and save the money for a 800 or wait till you have more weight and buy a 5k, 49er, Boss, etc. Although the 4k is single wire, its much nicer to sail than the Spice, better performance and at least there would be other boats to race against. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 1:45pm
 .......sorry, hadn't read that part but totally agree. Sailed the Spice once, when it was breezy, terribly under powered, not well fitted out and wouldn't choose to do so again. Think 4000s are cracking boats and if it was me looking for a boat with a small budget and being in a lighter weight category, there would be no doubt in my mind about buying one. In comparision, the day which I sailed the Spice, I also went out in the same conditions in the afternoon on a 470 and the 470 seemed a rocket ship in comparison.------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: SetSail
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 3:51pm
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Don't get me wrong, the spice isn't fantastic, but for lightweight crews looking for a twin wire experience, cheap up keep and fun, its pretty good. Under powered is what its supposed to be so its more manageable. It is worth the consideration in my opinion, despite the cons, which im sure im about to get a list of as long as my arm.... ------------- RS821 - Now for sale, PM for details |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 8:01pm
The trouble is that underpowered is the last thing you want in a twin string boat. If you have to wait till its dogs off chains to get two stringing it is just not worth the hastle and you would be quicker sailing it single string. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 8:18pm
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There really is a gap in the market for a fun but easy to learn twin wire boat now. I guess the problem is, is that people will spend a season in it and move on to an 800. This may have been why the 3k had bad times, people sailed it a bit and then got good enough for the 4k/whatever. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 8:51pm
It's only underpowered if you are to heavy. Same as any boat. I would agree with SetSail that the Spice isn't the greatest performance boat in the world... but for cheap summer fun sailing on some nice swell in a 3 /4 off St Mawes it would be great, low cost, low mainternace and low on the RNLI's list of things to do that day... cos it's managable in pretty much all conditions. I'd be happy with that sailing unsupported. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 14 Oct 06 at 10:52am
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seems like spice is the way to go then... underpowered is fine for our first twin trapeze boat, and we do not want to be going too fast 'cos st mawes bay is not that big! ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 14 Oct 06 at 6:09pm
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At your weight you won't be underpowered in the Spice. Having
said that, there aren't many about racing - its the Iso/Buzz/Spice/Boss
open at my club this weekend, and think I only saw two Spice's.
No Boss' turned up FYI. Loads of ISO's and Buzzes however. Spice looks nice enough, heard its slow upwind but its twin trap, so when you're a bit heavier you can get a 5000, which is an excellent step towards the 18ft Skiff... If you have ambitions. ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 14 Oct 06 at 7:55pm
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Or there is another cherub for sale on the website. http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/test/doku.php/secondhand - HERE It's got a pukka 97 rules rig and is a quick design. Think it needs a bit of DIY to get it on the water but she will be a real weapon specially if you get the hang of it! I'm sure there are enough people about locally depending on where you live who could get you on the water in a weekend or a few evenings. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: jamesint505
Date Posted: 14 Oct 06 at 9:21pm
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YOU CAN BUY MY 505 IF YOU LIKE ! ------------- 505 7567 |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 15 Oct 06 at 10:23am
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The answer is easy. By the first twin trap boat. 45 kg = light, lighter than a chureb easy to right light crews are around 115kg A 12 footer. http://www.skiff.org.au - www.skiff.org.au or http://www.12footskiff.com - www.12footskiff.com
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