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    Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 8:21am
Originally posted by foaminatthedeck

Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

I know this has probably been said before, but I reckon that any safety boat should have at least a driver and one crew for many reasons, mainly the driver's visibility not encompassing 360 degrees all the time and the manouverability of the rib driver on the boat being only as far as the kill-chord can stretch. A rescue boat driver drives and the crew does the other tasks such as picking up bouys (literally, not the manovere), fending off, tying boats onto tow ropes etc, and if there is only the driver (one person) on the boat, it seriously reduces the safety of the boat whilst providing rescue cover. I never wear a life-jacket on anything but a yacht, all the rest of the time its bouyancy aids. If a crew of a rescue boat accidently inflates their life-jacket, it seriously reduces their manoverability and effectiveness, with bouyancy aids you simply don't have that problem.

I dissgaree id rather be on my own another person just gets in my way, i can do things faster and better on my own. If the safety of the safety boat is reduced because im on my own as an SI Id be wondering what I and a fleet was doing on the water(rather than in the pub)in those conditions.

I agree with BA's in safety boats as a driver you always need to be ready to go swimming. As for not wearing personal bouyancy in a yacht, hey its your funeral.

In a comercial cetting its not posisble to have 2 people in a boat, but on the other hand most comercial driver are better train and more experence than the club driver.IMHO  

The RYA say the best way to save someone involved in an entrapment situation is to right the boat as quickly as possible. If there is only one person on board the safety boat I don't see how this is possible.

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99    reason for wanting control at the tow boat end is that i dont trust the bodies on the tow to react quick enough if a sudden coming together is to be avoided.If tow rope is dropped ,it can always be recovered.... I hope. Most of our towing is done from the remarkably sturdy console seat which equates to your parascending pole. It works well.Though we never use the bridle, I am interested in trying it out and finding the best and safest way to use it.
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99...you can drive my RIB anytime.   Well,those strong winds last weekend were such ,that i had  to drive into the anchor line.Those huge seas gave me no option. And as for holding onto my crew....too busy trying to hold position! Anyway hes only five foot something and can barely see over the tubes!
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hey foaminatthedeck, youv'e almost got me foamin at the mouth with those comments. I think that youv'e got some stick coming your way!!!!

aint sure if your serious or kidding.Do you do it on a duck pond or on the open sea!

We can all,I assume,cope admirably on our own,but two men are better able to recover casualties from the water, that point alone is sufficient reason to have crew on board.

Whats all this about always needing to be ready to go swimming.Who you kidding, you just told us that you prefer to be on your own,so, WHO IS DRIVING WHEN YOU ARE SWIMMING? 

I was laying marks out in a force 7 and mountainous seas last weekend and would have struggled on my own.Almost flipped the RIB . Still wondering about the sanity of those yachties and the OOD   But it was fun

The majority of the fleet was in the pub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT BITING THE BAIT ON THAT...... COMMERCIAL v CLUB DRIVERS

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Originally posted by michel

Heres another question. What precisely do you, as drivers, do when you are raising marks in strong tidal or wind conditions?

Drive the boat in the direction of the tide to tighten the anchor rope and make the life as difficult as possible for the crew

Seriously, in strong tide, I will drive the boat gently forwards against the tide (usually no more than idle in forward is needed), but checking all the time that the anchor line isn't going under the boat. In strong wind (and then usually big waves!) if there's only two people in the boat, it's far more important to hold the crew in the boat whilst sat in a secure position. In most RIBs, thid can be done if the driver stays in the driving position and holds the crew's buoyancy aid belt from behind, with the crew standing immediately in front of the console and pulling the line up over the front of the boat. If doing this, it's absolutely essential you don't have the boat in gear. If the crew goes over the front, you will get pulled forward, and possibly land on the throttle. What happens next wouldn't be at all pleasant.

 



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Originally posted by michel

Still trying to find out HOW to use the towing bridle.Internet search produced bridle details and diagrams ,but I am unable to find anything regarding the practicality of using one. No way am I tying off the tow rope on the bridle ring.I may well want to cast that tow off urgently.So how do I secure the tow rope onto the ring NOT THE BOAT in such a way that i can disengage instantly without first stopping the boat ?

Why do you want to be able to release the tow rope from the towing boat whilst driving along? I can't see how this would ever be helpful - all it would result in would be the towed boat drifting over a load of loose rope and getting it caught round its rudder. You also end up losing your tow rope. The non secured end of the towline would normally be on the boat being towed, which then once released the rope doesn't get knotted up in anything as the water holds it out straight. Most towlines on bridles I have ever seen have a large carabina spliced onto one end. This then clips onto directly onto the bridle. This is "quick release" enough to deal with problems like getting the towed boat caught round mooring buoys or it capsizing, where the first thing you do is stop anyway.

If you really want an "in emergency pull cord" solution to detach the towline whilst moving along, it can only really be done when the towline is attached within the boat, anything on the bridle increases the risk of a loose end of rope becoming caught round the prop. A safety boat I used to use (18 foot dory) had a 3 foot high 4 inch square section metal post mounted directly in the centre of the boat from its previous life as a boat used to tow parascenders. This was ideal for towing boats as it had been mounted in such a position as to not affect the steering - after all, towing a parachute with someone hanging off it at 30 knots is significantly more critical and difficult than towing a small dinghy at 5 knots!

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While 2 people is ideal, if you only have a small number of people for safety I'd take 2 ribs with one person each over 1 rib with 2. There really isn't much that one person in a rib can't handle. It's just hard dealing with a dinghy and also steering/throttle all at the same time.

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 Now that was quick! you two guys been sitting at your P.C.s just waiting for a post!!!!  That 49er, is a damn good point,but it brings up the concern that buoyancy aids will not support an unconscious persons head clear of the water,but that life jackets do ?

Wholeheartily agree with you that two bodies required on safety boats and that the crew should do the donkey work! (Hope that my regular boat partner aint reading this.)When it comes to laying marks though I tend to make it a team effort,unless conditions are that rough that the helm has to hold position.

I like that comment Phat Buoy...when you think that you know it all ......

I agree

Heres another question. What precisely do you, as drivers, do when you are raising marks in strong tidal or wind conditions?

 

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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

I know this has probably been said before, but I reckon that any safety boat should have at least a driver and one crew for many reasons, mainly the driver's visibility not encompassing 360 degrees all the time and the manouverability of the rib driver on the boat being only as far as the kill-chord can stretch. A rescue boat driver drives and the crew does the other tasks such as picking up bouys (literally, not the manovere), fending off, tying boats onto tow ropes etc, and if there is only the driver (one person) on the boat, it seriously reduces the safety of the boat whilst providing rescue cover. I never wear a life-jacket on anything but a yacht, all the rest of the time its bouyancy aids. If a crew of a rescue boat accidently inflates their life-jacket, it seriously reduces their manoverability and effectiveness, with bouyancy aids you simply don't have that problem.

I dissgaree id rather be on my own another person just gets in my way, i can do things faster and better on my own. If the safety of the safety boat is reduced because im on my own as an SI Id be wondering what I and a fleet was doing on the water(rather than in the pub)in those conditions.

I agree with BA's in safety boats as a driver you always need to be ready to go swimming. As for not wearing personal bouyancy in a yacht, hey its your funeral.

In a comercial cetting its not posisble to have 2 people in a boat, but on the other hand most comercial driver are better train and more experence than the club driver.IMHO  

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Originally posted by michel

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Do a Safety boat course, work with experienced helms and practice in all weathers and conditions.

Then go out and practice again and again - a bit like you do to become proficient at sailing. Then when you think you know it all - go out and practice again and again.

There is no substitute for experience.

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