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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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Ohhhhhh no it did not beat the FD in the first trials, or the first race!
![]() There outa be a tisk tisk finger wave emoticon! FD results - 4,5,2,7(different crew)3,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1. Osprey results - 5,6,7,1,8,3,4,9,2,6,3,6,4 Crushing victory to the FD, and that was before the FD got a trapeze or a genoa, but when Osprey had fitted a trap for three races at the suggestion of Sir Peter Scott. Apparently the no-genoa no-trap FD then came to the UK and got a bit of a kicking in light airs and waves, then put the wire and big genny on the for second trials and finished fractionally behind the blown-up Five-Oh but ahead of the Osprey which did well for 3rd. Now, you Ospreyers have all been very naughty and until your webmaster removes those fibs from your website, all the other fastsailers can just call out "it's all just more blinkin; propaganda" every time you call for water, starboard, or say "it's your turn to buy the drinks". ![]() ![]() ![]() I do like the fact that they had the openess and transparency to actually publish this sort of stuff in those days.....the last trials ISAF held (the windsurfing ones) seem to have been a disgrace in terms of allowing the sailing public any info. ![]() |
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Hobbo ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 211 |
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It did in the first race
![]() Then they got Ian proctor to "clean up the lines" and added the trapeze. Osprey's didn't invent them, just one of the first to use them within the rules in this country ![]() I love propaganda... ![]() Edited by Hobbo |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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Many (or all) classes had two boats, as shown by pics in other mags and by the reports in Aust Sailing (and maybe Seahorse.....couldn't get Y&Y here then).
The real historical Q is when is the Osprey going to stop claiming it beat the FD and invented the trapeze, way back when in those trials ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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It might be an idea for y&y to shed some light on the subject because it was the y&y report I was refferring to but have long lost the copy. The boats which were on trial were the 49er, OD14 (one design Int 14), I14, B14, 505, FD, Nautivela Jet, Mach 2, 5000, Iso and Boss. From the pictures it seemed like there was only one of each boat on trial..........
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Smithy ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 20 Mar 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 21 |
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If I remember rightly, there weren't equal numbers of boats at the trials - eg I think there were two 49ers, but only one 14 (don't remember for the other classes). So fewer sailors got to try the 14 and vote on it. So you need to interpret (to the extent it really matters after all this time!) the "yes/no" votes in percentages rather than in absolute numbers... |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Yesh, its a shame ISAF haven't got the evaluation commitee's report published on the net: these things are useful historical documents. I went through the '96 ISAF minutes but all I could find was an acceptance of the report, no detail as to contents. |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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I assume the sailors didn't have to vote if they couldn't really work out what they thought, 'cause they are the ones in the report from Aust. Sailing maga and I think Seahorse's report had the same votes. Also the votes I listed didn't include all the "very bad", "bad" and "ok" votes. There's always lots of rubbish from class associations or designers in later years about how they went in this sort of trials. Etchells, 505s, Ospreys etc have all been pumping out myths ever since. Edited by CT249 |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Nope, I haven't. I can't find the report on the web though. |
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jpbuzz591 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 793 |
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How come those numbers of scores arent equal throughout the classes. Especially on the yes/no questions, the numbers dont add up.
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