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    Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 12:14pm
Ohhhhhh no it did not beat the FD in the first trials, or the first race!

There outa be a tisk tisk finger wave emoticon!

FD results - 4,5,2,7(different crew)3,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1.

Osprey results - 5,6,7,1,8,3,4,9,2,6,3,6,4

Crushing victory to the FD, and that was before the FD got a trapeze or a genoa, but when Osprey had fitted a trap for three races at the suggestion of Sir Peter Scott. Apparently the no-genoa no-trap FD then came to the UK and got a bit of a kicking in light airs and waves, then put the wire and big genny on the for second trials and finished fractionally behind the blown-up Five-Oh but ahead of the Osprey which did well for 3rd.

Now, you Ospreyers have all been very naughty and until your webmaster removes those fibs from your website, all the other fastsailers can just call out "it's all just more blinkin; propaganda" every time you call for water, starboard, or say "it's your turn to buy the drinks".

I do like the fact that they had the openess and transparency to actually publish this sort of stuff in those days.....the last trials ISAF held (the windsurfing ones) seem to have been a disgrace in terms of allowing the sailing public any info.


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It did in the first race ,

Then they got Ian proctor to "clean up the lines" and added the trapeze.

Osprey's didn't invent them, just one of the first to use them within the rules in this country .

I love propaganda...


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Originally posted by CT249

Many (or all) classes had two boats, as shown by pics in other mags and by the reports in Aust Sailing (and maybe Seahorse.....couldn't get Y&Y here then).

The real historical Q is when is the Osprey going to stop claiming it beat the FD and invented the trapeze, way back when in those trials ?


Absolutely not !!!
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Many (or all) classes had two boats, as shown by pics in other mags and by the reports in Aust Sailing (and maybe Seahorse.....couldn't get Y&Y here then).

The real historical Q is when is the Osprey going to stop claiming it beat the FD and invented the trapeze, way back when in those trials ?
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It might be an idea for y&y to shed some light on the subject because it was the y&y report I was refferring to but have long lost the copy. The boats which were on trial were the 49er, OD14 (one design Int 14), I14, B14, 505, FD, Nautivela Jet, Mach 2, 5000, Iso and Boss. From the pictures it seemed like there was only one of each boat on trial..........
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Originally posted by jpbuzz591

How come those numbers of scores arent equal throughout the classes. Especially on the yes/no questions, the numbers dont add up.

If I remember rightly, there weren't equal numbers of boats at the trials - eg I think there were two 49ers, but only one 14 (don't remember for the other classes). So fewer sailors got to try the 14 and vote on it. So you need to interpret (to the extent it really matters after all this time!) the "yes/no" votes in percentages rather than in absolute numbers...

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Originally posted by CT249

Etchells, 505s, Ospreys etc have all been pumping out myths ever since.


Yesh, its a shame ISAF haven't got the evaluation commitee's report published on the net: these things are useful historical documents. I went through the '96 ISAF minutes but all I could find was an acceptance of the report, no detail as to contents.
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Originally posted by jpbuzz591

How come those numbers of scores arent equal throughout the classes. Especially on the yes/no questions, the numbers dont add up.


I assume the sailors didn't have to vote if they couldn't really work out what they thought, 'cause they are the ones in the report from Aust. Sailing maga and I think Seahorse's report had the same votes. Also the votes I listed didn't include all the "very bad", "bad" and "ok" votes.

There's always lots of rubbish from class associations or designers in later years about how they went in this sort of trials. Etchells, 505s, Ospreys etc have all been pumping out myths ever since.


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I'm sorry Jim but I think you've got the placings of the 5000 and Boss the wrong way round.


Nope, I haven't. I can't find the report on the web though.
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How come those numbers of scores arent equal throughout the classes. Especially on the yes/no questions, the numbers dont add up.
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