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Suede ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 05 Location: Sweden Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
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Any comments on this boat? It seems like Topper have stopped making them now, didnīt it take off in the UK? How many boats in the UK? Whatīs it like to sail compared to a RS800,49er etc? Quality? Secondhand boats seem to be a lot of bang for your buck..
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Lot of comments elsewhere on the forum. Yes, the class is pretty much dead. Like all of the early UK designed "skiff types" it suffered from being based on pre amalgamation 14s. This was a style of boat the 14 class was about to utterly abandon for new construction.
Mediocre rig, mediocre hull shape, perhaps built a little bit too much down to a budget. To its credit though it did at least finish scond (admittedly a distant second) to the 49er in the ISAF trials, with the others (like the 5 Tonner) nowhere. |
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jpbuzz591 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 793 |
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they are currently trying to get the few boats which do some opens, to join with 5 tonners i think. National attendence this year wasnt good. There were only 2. nuff said really.
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Jp Indoe
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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I'm sorry Jim but I think you've got the placings of the 5000 and Boss the wrong way round. I remember reading the pro's and con's in the summing up of the report y&y did and to be honest, both boats fell very short of the 49er but the 5000 had the Euro-cup in its favour but was deemed a bit of handful for lightweights. Probably not too much between the boats but the Boss didn't seem reliable at all from the boats I've seen and did seem off the pace compared to the 5000. Edited by 49erGBR735HSC |
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Skiffe ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jun 05 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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Actually wasn't the I14 2nd? only because it wasn't a OD
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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There were 3 polls in the trials.
In "What is your general feeling of the boat" the top scores went; 1- 49er (15 "very good" ratings, 3 "good".) 2- Int 14 (7 very good, 1 "good- not all sailors rated it) 3- Boss (4 very good, 10 good) 4- B14 (4 very good, 8 good) 5- 5000 (4 very good, 7 good) then - FD, Mach 2 (up-rated FD), Jet, OD14, 505, ISO. In "if you could afford it, would you buy the boat" the scores went; 1- 49er (13 yes, 3 No) 2- B14 (8 yes, 6 no) 3 -Int 14 (5 yes, 4 no) 4- Boss/5000 (4 yes, 9 no), then D, Mach 2, OD 14, Jet, ISO, 505. In "would you select it for the Olympics" the scores were 1- 49er (16 yes, 2 No) 2- Boss (5 yes, 8 no) 3- Mach 2 (5 yes, 14 no) 4- 5000 (4 yes, 10 no), then Jet, FD, B14, Int 14, OD14, 505, ISO. The only official race went 49er, Int 14, Mach 2, Boss, 5000, FD, B14, OD14, ISO. Reporters noted the earlier races went more like 49er, Boss/5000, Mach 2, 14 or something. The low score for 505 was interesting. Edited by CT249 |
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jpbuzz591 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 793 |
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How come those numbers of scores arent equal throughout the classes. Especially on the yes/no questions, the numbers dont add up.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Nope, I haven't. I can't find the report on the web though. |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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I assume the sailors didn't have to vote if they couldn't really work out what they thought, 'cause they are the ones in the report from Aust. Sailing maga and I think Seahorse's report had the same votes. Also the votes I listed didn't include all the "very bad", "bad" and "ok" votes. There's always lots of rubbish from class associations or designers in later years about how they went in this sort of trials. Etchells, 505s, Ospreys etc have all been pumping out myths ever since. Edited by CT249 |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Yesh, its a shame ISAF haven't got the evaluation commitee's report published on the net: these things are useful historical documents. I went through the '96 ISAF minutes but all I could find was an acceptance of the report, no detail as to contents. |
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