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    Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 9:46pm

Children, please....

CT249 gave a rock-solid, undebatable and concise answer to a question that could have left the rest of us pondering until Christmas. Please don't dilute his erudite answer in a load of Bartesque jokes...

(I quite liked Heywood U. Cuddleme )
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For more of Chris's wide knowledge, go to the cvrda site where you will find lots of fascinating facts and such - I believe the International 12 thing has come up a couple of times there, trying to trace the remains of the class in the UK.

As for the names, my spam filter on my email seems to like collecting such things, and I'm sure I'm not alone!
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Originally posted by Black no sugar

Children, please....

CT249 gave a rock-solid, undebatable and concise answer to a question that could have left the rest of us pondering until Christmas. Please don't dilute his erudite answer in a load of Bartesque jokes...

(I quite liked Heywood U. Cuddleme )



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is this ct249 guy got 2 users?is he also chris turner?btw pierre bns should now be caled the mum of the fourum as i lost count of how many times she has been called mum!
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Originally posted by feva_sailor

btw pierre bns should now be caled the mum of the fourum as i lost count of how many times she has been called mum!


shes had that tittle since well before I joined..
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Originally posted by feva_sailor

is this ct249 guy got 2 users?is he also chris turner?btw pierre bns should now be caled the mum of the fourum as i lost count of how many times she has been called mum!


I'm sure Chris Turner could sue you for defamation if you confuse us.

(in my defence I've been trying to finish a bloody book on dinghy history and design for a while....currently wading through the *&^%$ Moth chapter.....foilers have made it a lot harder).



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is this book going to be up for sell.if it is we are all expecting free copieies of it ct
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Originally posted by CT249

The little mono-rigged boats are 12 Voetsjoel (sp?) formerly the International 12. Designed by the UK's George Cockshott before WW1 and the first international dinghy class (declared international 1914 I think).

It was used for the 1920 Olympics (only two boats raced, both owned by the same man and the racing moved from Holland to Belgium or something halfway through the regatta, making for the most international of Olympics  :-)  ) and in the 1928 Games where they got a good fleet.

Still about 400 sailing in Holland, where only wooden planked boats are racing. A resurgence in Italy, which allows 'glass boats and has I think something like 150. Also a class in Japan.

If anyone tells you that (a) the Snipe, I 14 or Star were the first international one designs, point them to the 12 (b) that one designs die out, point out to them that the first 2 one design dinghies (from 1884 IIRC) and the first interntional OD (1912-ish) are all still sailing.

I think the bigger boats are Rainbows (Regenboogen) or 30 square metres (not the ex Int 30 square but a local class).



http://mypage.bluewin.ch/netattitude/Int12/int12.htm

http://www.valxer.it/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Valxer.woa/wa/page?l an=ita&id=1003850&path=Associazione+Italiana+Classe+ Dinghy
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Originally posted by feva_sailor

is this book going to be up for sell.if it is we are all expecting free copieies of it ct


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quite sure the bigger boats are not Rainbows but BM's (aka 16m2)

a very big class in Holland

 

 
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