What the heck is this?
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Topic: What the heck is this?
Posted By: fizzicist
Subject: What the heck is this?
Date Posted: 16 Jul 06 at 11:16pm
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My ever patient wife took some pics of some bizarre boats when she was in Holland recently - anyone got the slightest clue what they are?! (I'm referring to the ancient clinker built things in the background - not the Yngling.) Click on the thumbnail to enlarge. http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p102022650tg2.jpg"> http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1020230smns7.jpg"> ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
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Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 12:57am
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The little mono-rigged boats are 12 Voetsjoel (sp?) formerly the International 12. Designed by the UK's George Cockshott before WW1 and the first international dinghy class (declared international 1914 I think). It was used for the 1920 Olympics (only two boats raced, both owned by the same man and the racing moved from Holland to Belgium or something halfway through the regatta, making for the most international of Olympics :-) ) and in the 1928 Games where they got a good fleet. Still about 400 sailing in Holland, where only wooden planked boats are racing. A resurgence in Italy, which allows 'glass boats and has I think something like 150. Also a class in Japan. If anyone tells you that (a) the Snipe, I 14 or Star were the first international one designs, point them to the 12 (b) that one designs die out, point out to them that the first 2 one design dinghies (from 1884 IIRC) and the first interntional OD (1912-ish) are all still sailing. I think the bigger boats are Rainbows (Regenboogen) or 30 square metres (not the ex Int 30 square but a local class). |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 9:46am
 this guy knows a lot..........!
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 10:33am
Yes he does, unusual for this forum  . |
Posted By: Noidea
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 6:00pm
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i thought that they were called hunter dinghys from my time in holland i was going to hire one but it was excessively expensive....... dunno mb not ------------- Rs 600 983 |
Posted By: phantom871
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 6:41pm
 Cockshott Now thereir is a name! ------------- If its bent pull harder |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 7:45pm
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Nearly as good as my Nephew's primary school teacher, Miss Cockshoot. ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 8:25pm
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we have a mrs A.knowles ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 9:15pm
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We have a Mister I.P Standing And a Mr. Wife And a Mr. Prick And a Miss Cock  ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 9:25pm
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Mr. Hugh Jass ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 9:46pm
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Children, please.... CT249 gave a rock-solid, undebatable and concise answer to a question that could have left the rest of us pondering until Christmas. Please don't dilute his erudite answer in a load of Bartesque jokes... (I quite liked Heywood U. Cuddleme ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Jul 06 at 10:13pm
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For more of Chris's wide knowledge, go to the cvrda site where you will find lots of fascinating facts and such - I believe the International 12 thing has come up a couple of times there, trying to trace the remains of the class in the UK. As for the names, my spam filter on my email seems to like collecting such things, and I'm sure I'm not alone! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 18 Jul 06 at 10:04am
Thanks Mum..... |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 18 Jul 06 at 10:09am
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is this ct249 guy got 2 users?is he also chris turner?btw pierre bns should now be caled the mum of the fourum as i lost count of how many times she has been called mum! ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 18 Jul 06 at 10:28am
shes had that tittle since well before I joined.. ------------- |
Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 18 Jul 06 at 11:27am
I'm sure Chris Turner could sue you for defamation if you confuse us.  (in my defence I've been trying to finish a bloody book on dinghy history and design for a while....currently wading through the *&^%$ Moth chapter.....foilers have made it a lot harder). |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 18 Jul 06 at 4:18pm
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is this book going to be up for sell.if it is we are all expecting free copieies of it ct ------------- |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 4:29pm
http://mypage.bluewin.ch/netattitude/Int12/int12.htm - http://mypage.bluewin.ch/netattitude/Int12/int12.htm http://www.valxer.it/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Valxer.woa/wa/page?lan=ita&id=1003850&path=Associazione+Italiana+Classe+Dinghy - http://www.valxer.it/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Valxer.woa/wa/page?l an=ita&id=1003850&path=Associazione+Italiana+Classe+ Dinghy  |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 5:15pm
Mates don't ask for Mates Rates:-) |
Posted By: nondutch
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 10:20pm
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quite sure the bigger boats are not Rainbows but BM's (aka 16m2) a very big class in Holland
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Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 1:13am
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Thanks Nondutch. Now, can tell me anything about a Dutch dinghy class or boat called the Vrijbuiter which was about 22' long and sailed in the '50s??? |
Posted By: nondutch
Date Posted: 21 Jul 06 at 11:37pm
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only thing I can find back on Vrijbuiter is that is was a centerboard boat allowed to carry maximum 15mē of sail and that it has nearly vanished as a class today only few boats have been built after World War 2 I guess it lost out against 16Mē class which started in 1931 and has become a very big class in Holland |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 22 Jul 06 at 3:15pm
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those pictures look suspiciously like jacquelines that sail off hill head. errm changed my mind, nothing like it, jacquelines have a jib to start with. but they are both 12 foot ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |