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    Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 7:34pm
Hi all, first post!

I have been reading a great deal on this forum- it looks like a great place to get help and advice. Re my actual query, I have searched just about everything I can on Google and in particular this site when trying to decide on my 'family' boat (I have just sold my Laser having sailed them for about 15 years).

I'm pretty sure I am set on either the Vision or the Omega but I just can't make a firm decision no matter how hard I try. I have previously been set on each of them but keep changing my mind!

I want a boat that I can sail single-handed if needed and I have read that the Omega can be a bit of a handful, even reefed, but I like the appeal of the size of the cockpit in the Omega.

The Vision seems to tick most of the boxes, other than the fact that it seems it might get a bit more cramped when I get my two kids in there with myself and the wife. OK, the kids are young at the mo (4 and 3) but I'm hoping to have the eldest out on the water before he's 5 and the same with the youngest. I have also read that the Vision would be more 'tippy' which to be honest I want to try and limit as much as possible.

'Get a cat' I hear you say and I would agree were it not for the fact that holding onto kiddies will be more of a concern in say something like a Dart16 which I would probably think about when the kids are 8~9+.

I guess the best option would be to get a sail in both boats but that's easier said than done. Theres none of either at my last club!

I know that the Vision/Omega/Laser2000etc choice has been done to death a bit but I'm hoping that I've missed something from any threads that I've seen so far.

Laser2000 is just too expensive, Stratos is just too big (and heavy!). Wayfarers- well- I'm sure they are a good boat but...... just no.

Someone please help me decide before I go out of my mind!

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Omegas are truly HORRIBLE boats. We had them at work and while they are low maintainence they feel very cheap, very nasty and they are terrible to sail. RS products seem to be much better than Toppers but I havn't seen Vision so I can't comment on it.
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What about a Laser Bahia? - very easy to reef, similar format to a Vision but slightly bigger and a more modern design that the Omega........might be worth trying to get a test sail in one. It's not long 'til the Boat Show and Dinghy Show and there's bound to be a few deals to be done if you're after a new boat,

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How about looking at GP14 or Larks for a cheeper alternative. IMHO the Vision is better than the Omega.
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It would assist by informing us of your budget.

The Vision is the better of the two (Omega/Vision) because it is better made and second hand are available.

For that reason the Omega and the Bahia (as mentioned) are not as easy to shift selling second hand. The Bahia is new to the market and I would suggest a test sail, I wouldn't part with my cash for one, that is after sailing it.

You may find on this occasion that a Wayfarer is suitable because of the room it has and the availability of boats. It depends where and what type of sailing oyu are intending to do. They are widely available and also at varying prices dependin on age. Most though are good solid boats.


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Wow quick replies!

Anything Laser seems to be out of my price range..... I will have about £4~5k tops so must be secondhand too.

I agree that the GP14/Larks etc will all still be good boats but I just feel like I want a 'new design' boat. Thats not meant to sound snooty, I just prefer modern stuff.

Other than that it seems the Vision is getting more favour than the Omega, especially as it seems that Ross has first hand experience. I must say though, can a modern boat REALLY be that bad?! What was wrong with them Ross?

I will take a look at the Bahia but fell it will be out of my price range...

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Gaa! Bahia is £5195 retail so would be do-able secondhand on my budget.

Ferchrissakes thats 3 boats I have on the list now! I knew I shouldn't have posted on here! Looks like the Omega maybe dropping off the list soon I think though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Villan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 8:20pm
NO!!

Not a Bahia!!

Please, Save yourself. We have a few, broken 3 rudder pins, a centerboard ...

All in 3 months ...

It seems the Bahia is lasers "OHMIGAWD LDC and Topper are making more boats than us .. Quick ... Rush something out! " idea over a pint. It weighs about 8 tonnes and is as ugly .. well .. as an ugly thing!

Vision felt SO much better when I sailed it ... But you still cant beat a good, old fasioned, Wayfarer. Also take a look at the Leader. Slightly scaled down Wayfarer.
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RS vission

 

unless you want to learn how to drive an aircraft carrier then get the omega

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Post Options Post Options   Quote HannahJ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 9:23pm
Afraid I'm another for the old-school variety. Wayfarer or GP14, nicely balanced, easy to singlehand. I find the Vision very heavy on the steering, somewhat overpowered even when reefed, and... just looks too much like a training boat, whereas the new Wayfarers and GP14s look quite snazzy. I'd try them out, of the new ones seems like the Vision is your man, but from personal experience I just wouldn't...
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