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    Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 12:32pm

Originally posted by jeffers

I agree, when the pass mark for an A is 55% and an A* 65% what do you expect? I think it is criminal!

Ironically it's our fault as we have put those people in place that have ruined a world leading education system ... we got what we voted for (as a nation anyway)

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I left school because I hated it. I'm not going to uni because I'm not going to like that either and now I'm in the sh*t, no job and no hope of getting a good one anytime soon. So many of my friends are going to uni and going to come out 20K in debt with some worthless degree to show for it. If you don't go to school you’re in trouble and now if you stay in school you're not in a much better position (and a world of debt).

The worst thing about it all is that at 16 you do you GCSE's, these get you into A levels, at 18 you do you A levels and go to uni then you leave uni at 21ish and your dropped strait in the deep end. Penniless and in debt, nowhere to live, and somehow you have to find a job with no work experiance. You've just been writing learning for 18 years solid and havn't got a clue what to do. You'll start paying the debt off when you start earning 15K a year, and that’s going to take a while (paying off the debt). Then you have to buy/rent a house/flat and that’s more money gushing out of your bank account. Mission, and I don't want deal with any of it.

Now for all you people saying that they're giving away A's, you're wrong. Anyone who gets an A works bloody hard for it, fact. I passed all my exams but didn't get A's because I just didn't enjoy any of it so I didn't work hard enough. I don't care, I never enjoyed academic things and probably never will. So I will find something that isn't academic to pursue as a career.

For now my solution is go to New Zealand and forget about it all for a while, work, have fun, go sailing and if I enjoy it never come back!

 

GCSE P.E, sailing? Go for it! At least you’ll have fun doing it rather than wasting your time in RE or something like that.



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You've been learning about it since day one at primary school, a GCSE in it will not make any differnce.
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Originally posted by Ross

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I left school because I hated it. I'm not going to uni because I'm not going to like that either and now I'm in the sh*t, no job and no hope of getting a good one anytime soon. So many of my friends are going to uni and going to come out 20K in debt with some worthless degree to show for it. If you don't go to school you’re in trouble and now if you stay in school you're not in a much better position (and a world of debt).

Uni is very different to school, and there are plenty of worthwhile degrees that lead into careers. You get what you work for. If you do something easy like media studies, chances are you're not going to get very far. On the other hand if you do something like economics then the world is your oyster.  

 

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Originally posted by Alex C

Originally posted by Ross

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I left school because I hated it. I'm not going to uni because I'm not going to like that either and now I'm in the sh*t, no job and no hope of getting a good one anytime soon. So many of my friends are going to uni and going to come out 20K in debt with some worthless degree to show for it. If you don't go to school you’re in trouble and now if you stay in school you're not in a much better position (and a world of debt).

Uni is very different to school, and there are plenty of worthwhile degrees that lead into careers. You get what you work for. If you do something easy like media studies, chances are you're not going to get very far. On the other hand if you do something like economics then the world is your oyster.  

 



Some of my friends are doing good and worthwhile degrees, most (unfortunatley) mare not. Uni seems to just the done thing.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Ross

You've been learning about it since day one at primary school, a GCSE in it will not make any differnce.


really... let's apply the same theory to Maths and English shall we?

Alex is right, Uni is very different to a school education; it's not essential in life, but it can make life's choices all the more accessible once you've done it. 


Uni, for me will be worth going to once I know what I want to do. Until then it's going to be a waist of time for me.


Maths and English are completely different to RE, how can you compare them?

Example.

'I have an A in English and an A in Maths, but I flopped RE' - no problem (unless you want to be an RE teacher!).

'I have an A in RE, but failed English and Maths' - errr, retakes!



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what else can we do??? the education system is actively gearing towards putting students into A'Levels, into uni etc.

i have just started uni and its a huge step from school but i love it. and at the end of it i have companies actively head hunting me (apparently). however my A'Levels mean nothing now. all education is simply a stepping stone to the next level up which ultimately end up in a job.

as regards to exams getting easier, the majority of them are not. the change is that there is a more structured system of learning which provides us a better environment (to pass the exams, not nescessarily be particularly good at a subject)

most of the core subjects are of a similar standard to what they were say 10years ago. its the introduction of other subjects such as hairdressing etc that have had a negative impact on the public view of A'Levels. at the end of the day, even those kind of qualifications are nescessary in this world obsessed with bits of paper, qualifications and all that other rubbish.....

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Originally posted by jeffers

I agree, when the pass mark for an A is 55% and an A* 65% what do you expect? I think it is criminal!
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dont know what subject this applies for but in all the A'Levels/ GCSE's i have dont the A was 80%, B is 70%, C is 60% etc

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Uni of Hawai used to offer a sailing scholarship.... don't know if they still do but that's 3 eeeeeeeasy years baby

.....and well worth getting into a wee bit of debt over.....
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The biggest failing in recent times has been the blinkered careers advice given by school teachers. Apprenticeships are still available with most blue-chip manufacturing companies, but the education system insists that teachers tell A-levels students to go to University.

The problem is that most A-level students are either studied out, or are just not suited to the style of university education and therefore drop out, with all the worst bits ie, debt and no career.

Half hearted attempts to rectify this by bringing in vocational qualifications have always failed because, 1. Industry hasn't got a clue what they are. 2. The content is usually developed within academia and as such is an academics impression of what industry requires, and normally they miss the point entirely.

A good grasp of maths, english and applied sciences along with a decent lump of common sense will set you up for life, the rest is down to experience.
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