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Topic: GCSE sailing assesmentPosted By: theycallmegod
Subject: GCSE sailing assesment
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 7:03pm
Who has done it? What did you do? I've heard some horror stories, such as people being marked down for roll tacking...
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Replies: Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 7:04pm
Say what? If there was a gsce in sailing why wasn't i informed?
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 7:10pm
I assume this is the sport for gcse P.E
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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 7:15pm
This would be the GCSE Coursework where you choose a topic and get someone to assess you.
Piece of .... really according to the sheet I filled in when someone last asked me to watch them!
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Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 8:31pm
Sorry, yeah, i meant PE. Im hoping to do some filming on Saturday in the B, but what kinda stuff do i need to do? How to i demonstrate im 'competent in a racing situation?'
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Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 8:46pm
I did it at the beginning of this year. Basically all i had to do was rig the boat with no help, sail around tack, gybe, capsize recovery, have a good idea on sail trim and that was basically it. My teacher came down to film me stayed for about 20 - 30 mins and went off. He didnt have the first idea about sailing and on the day we were all assesed in our other sports the examiner was shown the video (he also didnt have any idea either) and that was it. I got full marks for that and it was all very basic stuff. Also the emaminer wanted my RYA level 1 and 2 certificates.
Plus i have a mate who did it and his mum filmed it for him and edited out all the bits that didnt look good just incase. As long as the footage is good and know show good boat control you should easily get good marks for it.
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Posted By: Splosh
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 8:47pm
Yeah I'm doing it this year.
If you want i will send you the critera sheet and info about it?!
Mark.
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Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 8:56pm
I dont have any RYA levels Cheers Splosh, I dont get much info from my PE teachers... When doing 'factors that influence sport' My theory teacher pretty much said that you had to be rich to own a boat.... I was not particularly impressed. Another PE teacher told me that sailing wasn't tiring...
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Posted By: feva sailor
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 9:14pm
you could edit it like have a word pop ut that says:
Tack (manouver to go upwind) or something simular and do as many moves as you can
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 9:35pm
Lucky they know nothing eh?
Should have me as the examiner.
You lot would all get an F
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 9:53pm
I suppose I'd immediatly drop marks for having a 'washerwoman' in the front....
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Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 9:53pm
Im not sure the RYA levels are a requirement, i think the reason i needed them was because it was the only thing my teacher could understand. Although i still havent got them back yet
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Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 10:06am
Bloody hell - you can get GCSE's for doing hobbies? Are they trying to give them away now?
Feeling very old and grumpy,
Chewie.
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 10:08am
I did it for my gcse. I got 24 out of 25, I hit a mark and messed up a gybe too, so it's not all that hard to get a good grade!
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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 10:49am
Originally posted by Chew my RS
Bloody hell - you can get GCSE's for doing hobbies? Are they trying to give them away now?
Feeling very old and grumpy,
Chewie.
Not as such. I stand corrected but from what I understand you have to do a bit of coursework in a sport and be assessed on it.
The last one I did was shot by the mum of the kid. Been at the RYA Centre, the instructors got a bit camera happy and started making clapperboards etc. Funiest thing being the student tied up the Pico to the pontoon, tried to get in and missed and fell in the water (all on camera!)
I think the "GCSE" qualification is known as "RYA Dinghy Instructor" (now ducking for cover!!)
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 10:56am
Originally posted by Chew my RS
Bloody hell - you can get GCSE's for doing hobbies? Are they trying to give them away now?
Yeah, but not content with giving away GCSEs they give them all A grades ...
I know comments like this probably annoy people studying for these and I sympathise with them; they can only sit the exams (or do the course work) they are presented with ... but clearly the benchmarking of school performance through tracking exam results has just lead to the dropping of standards.
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Posted By: 422_797
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 11:36am
<quote>but clearly the benchmarking of school performance through tracking exam results has just lead to the dropping of standards.</quote>
Or you could take the view that the benchmarking of schools' performance has lead to children being tested more often than they used to be. As a result of this those doing exams are now a lot better at doing and passing said exams.
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Posted By: 422_797
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 11:38am
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Hmmm try that again.
Or
you could take the view that the benchmarking of schools' performance has lead
to children being tested more often than they used to be. As a result of this
those doing exams are now a lot better at doing and passing said exams.
I am not saying being good at tests makes you a brighter person just that kids
are better at understanding how to pass an exam now. There is no evidence of a
standard drop in testing at GCSE or A Level. There is lots of evidence of
children being tested more often and results going up.
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 12:03pm
"Standards – if by this term we mean traditional academic rigour, the exploration of ideas, and original thinking – have dropped. And everyone in the education industry knows it."
This is not the fault of people sitting the exams; it's politics.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 12:14pm
I agree, when the pass mark for an A is 55% and an A* 65% what do you expect? I think it is criminal!
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by jeffers
I agree, when the pass mark for an A is 55% and an A* 65% what do you expect? I think it is criminal!
Ironically it's our fault as we have put those people in place that have ruined a world leading education system ... we got what we voted for (as a nation anyway)
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:04pm
I left school because I hated it. I'm not going to uni
because I'm not going to like that either and now I'm in the sh*t, no job and
no hope of getting a good one anytime soon. So many of my friends are going to
uni and going to come out 20K in debt with some worthless degree to show for
it. If you don't go to school you’re in trouble and now if you stay in school
you're not in a much better position (and a world of debt).
The worst thing about it all is that at 16 you do you GCSE's, these get you
into A levels, at 18 you do you A levels and go to uni then you leave uni at
21ish and your dropped strait in the deep end. Penniless and in debt, nowhere
to live, and somehow you have to find a job with no work experiance. You've just been writing learning for 18 years solid and havn't got a clue what to do. You'll start paying the debt off
when you start earning 15K a year, and that’s going to take a while (paying off
the debt). Then you have to buy/rent a house/flat and that’s more money gushing
out of your bank account. Mission,
and I don't want deal with any of it.
Now for all you people saying that they're giving away A's, you're wrong.
Anyone who gets an A works bloody hard for it, fact. I passed all my exams but
didn't get A's because I just didn't enjoy any of it so I didn't work hard
enough. I don't care, I never enjoyed academic things and probably never will.
So I will find something that isn't academic to pursue as a career.
For now my solution is go to New
Zealand and forget about it all for a while,
work, have fun, go sailing and if I enjoy it never come back!
GCSE P.E, sailing? Go for it! At least you’ll have fun doing
it rather than wasting your time in RE or something like that.
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:12pm
You've been learning about it since day one at primary school, a GCSE in it will not make any differnce.
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Posted By: Alex C
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:17pm
I left school because I hated it. I'm not going to uni because I'm not going to like that either and now I'm in the sh*t, no job and no hope of getting a good one anytime soon. So many of my friends are going to uni and going to come out 20K in debt with some worthless degree to show for it. If you don't go to school you’re in trouble and now if you stay in school you're not in a much better position (and a world of debt).
Uni is very different to school, and there are plenty of worthwhile degrees that lead into careers. You get what you work for. If you do something easy like media studies, chances are you're not going to get very far. On the other hand if you do something like economics then the world is your oyster.
I left school because I hated it. I'm not going to uni because I'm not going to like that either and now I'm in the sh*t, no job and no hope of getting a good one anytime soon. So many of my friends are going to uni and going to come out 20K in debt with some worthless degree to show for it. If you don't go to school you’re in trouble and now if you stay in school you're not in a much better position (and a world of debt).
Uni is very different to school, and there are plenty of worthwhile degrees that lead into careers. You get what you work for. If you do something easy like media studies, chances are you're not going to get very far. On the other hand if you do something like economics then the world is your oyster.
Some of my friends are doing good and worthwhile degrees, most (unfortunatley) mare not. Uni seems to just the done thing.
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Ross
You've been learning about it since day one at primary school, a GCSE in it will not make any differnce.
really... let's apply the same theory to Maths and English shall we?
Alex is right, Uni is very different to a school education; it's not essential in life, but it can make life's choices all the more accessible once you've done it.
Uni, for me will be worth going to once I know what I want to
do. Until then it's going to be a waist of time for me.
Maths and English are completely different to RE, how can you compare them?
Example.
'I have an A in English and an A in Maths, but I flopped RE' - no problem
(unless you want to be an RE teacher!).
'I have an A in RE, but failed English and Maths' - errr, retakes!
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:44pm
what else can we do??? the education system is actively gearing towards putting students into A'Levels, into uni etc.
i have just started uni and its a huge step from school but i love it. and at the end of it i have companies actively head hunting me (apparently). however my A'Levels mean nothing now. all education is simply a stepping stone to the next level up which ultimately end up in a job.
as regards to exams getting easier, the majority of them are not. the change is that there is a more structured system of learning which provides us a better environment (to pass the exams, not nescessarily be particularly good at a subject)
most of the core subjects are of a similar standard to what they were say 10years ago. its the introduction of other subjects such as hairdressing etc that have had a negative impact on the public view of A'Levels. at the end of the day, even those kind of qualifications are nescessary in this world obsessed with bits of paper, qualifications and all that other rubbish.....
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by jeffers
I agree, when the pass mark for an A is 55% and an A* 65% what do you expect? I think it is criminal!
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dont know what subject this applies for but in all the A'Levels/ GCSE's i have dont the A was 80%, B is 70%, C is 60% etc
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:58pm
Uni of Hawai used to offer a sailing scholarship.... don't know if they still do but that's 3 eeeeeeeasy years baby
.....and well worth getting into a wee bit of debt over.....
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 1:59pm
The biggest failing in recent times has been the blinkered careers advice given by school teachers. Apprenticeships are still available with most blue-chip manufacturing companies, but the education system insists that teachers tell A-levels students to go to University.
The problem is that most A-level students are either studied out, or are just not suited to the style of university education and therefore drop out, with all the worst bits ie, debt and no career.
Half hearted attempts to rectify this by bringing in vocational qualifications have always failed because, 1. Industry hasn't got a clue what they are. 2. The content is usually developed within academia and as such is an academics impression of what industry requires, and normally they miss the point entirely.
A good grasp of maths, english and applied sciences along with a decent lump of common sense will set you up for life, the rest is down to experience.
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 2:09pm
One interesting point is about the level of debt it's assumed you leave with ...
These days no-one bats an eyelid at young people racking up 20k of student debt, then the cycle of living off other peoples money is learnt sub-20 years old and then it goes on ... perhaps this is why we are in the mess we are in now.
When I was at Uni no-one had debt, of if they did it was just a maxed out overdraft of say £500.
That said when we were at uni everyone lived within their means, very few people hard cars or boats, there were no mobile phones or iPods and we drank homebrew and cheap vodka before going out as a money saving exercise.
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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 2:44pm
It is possible to do courses in boat building, or maritime degrees in things useful. As has been said going to uni seems the done thing to see how far you can push your boundaries, your liver and your wallet!
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 4:20pm
I'm currently in my second year of A levels and am currently studying Maths, Physics and Chemistry, and i really don't think it is easy, although i do agree that i think GCSE's are slightly easier although this depends on the subject with certain subjects easier than others and as we are on the subject of PE its definately not an easy one and i couldn't of done it. The problem with this is in my opinion is it is a big step from GCSE to A level and alot of people myself included didn't realise this at first.
On the subject of debt, before you actually get to uni it seems you need to spend 6 grand on just tuition and accomadation so i don't think there is the option of no debt at uni anymore.
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 4:39pm
University fees was a big discussion point when I was at Uni, as it was just after I left that they abolished grants and brought in the loans instead. To be honest the loan system is probably the fairest system assuming that university educations are reserved for the academically elite, who would then be guarenteed a job however with so many students at uni, there just arnt jobs for them and therefore massive debts have been run up with no chance of paying them off.
The old system of grants favoured the poor and the rich and shafted those in the middle.
I managed to get through 4yrs of uni with no grant and I only took out a student loan for one year and bought a Laser with it, so left Uni with £1500 loan. I worked my arse of every summer working nights at a motorway service station, and easter and christmas holidays were spent at a data entry company to ensure that I had money to live on.
As you say Rick we didnt have mobile phones back then. I remember the long ques by the row of public phone boxes on the campus at 6pm when you could use your home phonecard, and very few of us had a car.
My little sis has just finished her degree at Nottingham Trent and based on her fees, accomodation etc. I worked out I could have left uni with £6500 debt had I been there over the last 3years, which is someway short of the averages that are banded around of close to 20k. The sad fact is though, that so many students expect to be able to swan around fashionable city centres buying designer labels and drinking in fancy bars, that coupled with the fact they seem to have no appreciation for the value of money, means that they rack up monumental debt and land us all in the economic situation we find ourselves in.
I now consider myself to be a pretty good earner with a good career but I couldnt possibly justify going out on the lash in Bristol city centre more than once a month, so how can the students do it everynight, unless they are loading up the credit cards?
A bit of Financial common sense needs to be taught I think.
Posted By: Fans1024
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 4:46pm
Debt is pretty much unavoidable if you go to uni now. Yes, we do live in a culture of debt, buy now pay later, loans etc, but about £8000 pa before you even think about beer money, its pretty hard not to run into debt. Then you have to add in; course materials, transport and basic food. Course materials vary depending on your course, but mine were £300 pa - [2 yrs ago. Only brought the core books, all of which were second hand.] My flatmate's are alot more. Probably in the £1000+ range.
Anyway, if I could've done sailing as part of my GCSEs, I would've done it in a heartbeat. At least one of them would be enjoyable. If you go onto further and higher education, and as long as you pass Maths and English, no one cares what you did at GCSE. I vaguely remember what I did, but on my CV I just list - GCSEs, including Maths and English passes. Or something to that affect.
Good luck and enjoy yourself.
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 4:55pm
While I was under 18, I did 2 years at College, got a Btec ND. (It'll do me fine for now, Signing up for a Cisco CCNA / MCDST in the next few weeks when I have the money)
I'm very glad I didnt do Uni etc ... I think I could have handled the work side of it, but its the culture that comes with it that I couldnt. Debt, A liver that hates you for the next 8 years, and even more debt.
So I came out of my course at the end of the 2 years, went into a job with a local company that I have now been with for 2 years, have started racking up good references for future employment, as well as office experience!
Posted By: iwsmithuk
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by turnturtle
....drunken snogging at 4pm...
Blimey tt, where did you go to uni....4pm!
I was lucky enough to have gone when there were still grants, even so it wasn't much, many ended up in debt but that was largely the 2 foreign holidays a year and running a car etc.
I lived in London for 6 years with no money from parents and not a penny of overdraft. Lived in damp flats in Hackney, drove cheap motoerbikes, worked in the holidays, bought clothes in Oxfam shops and ate cheap crap...but eeee by gum it did me good....
Joking aside, its not hard to keep the debt down with a bit of common sense. Just work hard and live within your means. It's not forever after all.
Posted By: iwsmithuk
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 6:03pm
Ah yes...
Student bars with sticky floors.....one working lightbulb.....a battered space invaders machine...and some ne'er do well sleeping quietly in the corner.....
Brings a tear to my eye.
Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by jeffers
I agree, when the pass mark for an A is 55% and an A* 65% what do you expect? I think it is criminal!
What??
If your so sure of that TELL THE EXAMINERS......
.....last year the grade boundries for Drama were;
A* 98%
A 92%
B 85%
C 76%
Do you want the grade boundries for other subjects aswell or is that ok?
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 8:40pm
hahaha, couldn't be arsed to read 5 pages i'm afraid mate!
FIRST - A* is 80% across the board, apart from subjects with different tiers, like maths where A* on higher tier is about 60/70% yes).
However, I did sailing as part of GCSE PE which i got an A* :]. I don't know if you've got it, but I can send you the list of things you have to demo if you want it? its p*ss easy if you can sail a b14 :]. I had to ask someone to film me though, because teach wouldn't come down.
BTW. I got filmed at the time where i could've been filmed in a int14/ cherub BUT, I'd be very careful about getting filmed entirely in it becuase they often like being shown basic manoevers performed perfectly, which is FAR easier in an easy boat, like a topper or something.
And those who said GCSE PE's easy .. it's not, even though you can get marked on four sports, they make a tiny percentage of your coursework mark, therefore an even smaller percentage of your overall GCSE. Its not academically uber hard, but you need to be sh*t hot on the physiology in PE and the coursework takes bloody ages.... :].
Uh yeah, good luck mate & PM me if you want the list of things to demonstrate?
Sounds like you go to a school like mine, where nobody does sailing... they'll give you a good mark :P.
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Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 8:52pm
Thats right but also wrong, I can send you whatever you want to prove those grade boundaries, they were taken straight off the document i got sent containing my results.
And yeah, if you go to a school like mine its easy, I got a level 10 in windsurfing and all i had to show was skills that most beginners could cover.
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Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 8:58pm
Cheers waverider, one of the few to give me a useful response and not bicker about the education system.... i think jeffers is refering to the maths exam- have a look at some of the past papers- see how many questions you can answer....
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Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by theycallmegod
i think jeffers is refering to the maths exam- have a look at some of the past papers- see how many questions you can answer....
Dont think he is............
Taken from last years results slip......
A* 90%
A 80%
B 70% etcetc....
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by Ross
I left school because I hated it. I'm not going to uni
because I'm not going to like that either and now I'm in the sh*t, no job and
no hope of getting a good one anytime soon. So many of my friends are going to
uni and going to come out 20K in debt with some worthless degree to show for
it. If you don't go to school you’re in trouble and now if you stay in school
you're not in a much better position (and a world of debt).
The worst thing about it all is that at 16 you do you GCSE's, these get you
into A levels, at 18 you do you A levels and go to uni then you leave uni at
21ish and your dropped strait in the deep end. Penniless and in debt, nowhere
to live, and somehow you have to find a job with no work experiance. You've just been writing learning for 18 years solid and havn't got a clue what to do. You'll start paying the debt off
when you start earning 15K a year, and that’s going to take a while (paying off
the debt). Then you have to buy/rent a house/flat and that’s more money gushing
out of your bank account. Mission,
and I don't want deal with any of it.
Now for all you people saying that they're giving away A's, you're wrong.
Anyone who gets an A works bloody hard for it, fact. I passed all my exams but
didn't get A's because I just didn't enjoy any of it so I didn't work hard
enough. I don't care, I never enjoyed academic things and probably never will.
So I will find something that isn't academic to pursue as a career.
For now my solution is go to New
Zealand and forget about it all for a while,
work, have fun, go sailing and if I enjoy it never come back!
GCSE P.E, sailing? Go for it! At least you’ll have fun doing
it rather than wasting your time in RE or something like that.
You just have to work hard, I did appallingly at my A levels and didn't go to uni, I have a nice job and comfortable life. Uni isn't the be all and end all, personally I think that a degree isn't really worth much anymore. Do a job you enjoy, I would rather earn less doing a job I loved than getting paid lots to do something I hated. Just my 2p's worth.
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Posted By: bert
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 9:17pm
Something in the regoin of 70% of all students who leave uni with a degree work in jobs that have NOTHING to do with the subjects the degree was in.
All the degree show`s an employer is that you have the determination to complete a task,
Will that`s what it show`s me anyway & that is worth alot in today`s work place.
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 10 Oct 08 at 9:10am
I agree with bert to.
James were you part of the Durham team who got shot at with air rifles when you came to visit us at Salford ?
Those were the days heh!
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 10 Oct 08 at 11:33am
Not sure about the totem pole so probably at the Bradford Barrel. At 4am in the morning at the Barrel I was still in the curry house opposite the uni, challenging the Liverpool & Manchester squads to a Vindaloo eating competition.
Bloody students
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 10 Oct 08 at 11:56am
Bill Gates recently gave a speech at a high school about the 11
things they will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically
correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and
how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.
1 – Life is not fair – get used to it.
2 – The world does not care about your self esteem. The world
will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
3 – You will not make $60,000 a year right out of high school.
You wont be vice president with a car phone until you earn both.
4 – If you think your teacher is tough wait till you get a boss.
5 – Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grand
parents had a different word for burger flipping – they called it opportunity.
6 – If you mess up its not your parents fault, so do not whine
about your mistakes, learn from them.
7 – Your parents were not this boring before you were born. They
got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you
talk about how cool you think you are. So before you save the rainforest from
the parasites of your parents generation, try delousing the closet in your own
room.
8 – Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but
life has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades and they will
give you as many chances as you want to get the right answer. This doesn’t bare
the slightest resemblance to anything in real life.
9 – Life is not divided into semesters. You don’t get summers
off and very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do that
in your own time.
10 – Television is not real life. In real life people actually
have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
11 – Be nice to nerds. Chances are you will be working for one.
Having money means you can say what you want when you want. Am I
right or what!?
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Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 10 Oct 08 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by craiggo
. To be honest the loan system is probably the fairest system assuming that university educations are reserved for the academically elite, who would then be guarenteed a job however with so many students at uni, there just arnt jobs for them and therefore massive debts have been run up with no chance of paying them off.
Just caught up with this any couldn't let this one go by!
The loan system isn't the fairest system at all. The system was introduced as as I started uni and I am still paying off the debt! I think generally the loans take between 5-10 years to pay off if you make payments via your employer.
My issue with the loans system is that I have gone to uni, hopefully landed a higher paid job than I would have done without my degree. I therefore pay a higher rate of tax, which would have easily paid off any grants. Its not easy having to carry this through a period in your life when people are trying to buy houses, get married, start families etc.
In my opinion, uni degrees are being handed out like confetti and it dums down true academics. GCSE PE sounds great, but what will it get you at the end? Not that its a problem - GCSE's are just a stepping stone to AS and A levels, which are arguably more important.
Good luck to you - if you can blag sailing into your schooling then fair play. Wish I could have!
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 10 Oct 08 at 3:17pm
I think anything that encourages kids and schools into sport has to be a good thing. Too many schools no longer do matches etc after school hours, the hours spent doing PE of any kind have been cut, and too many have sold off their playing fields in a desperate bid to keep afloat financially.
At the same time we see an increase in childhood obesity.
Not rocket science, is it?
(I crashed through my O levels (yes, I know!) and A levels but got a university place because of 'extenuating circumstances'. I got a spectacularly good degree then did two Masters degrees. I am now unemployed.....but I have a lot of time to go sailing....)
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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 10 Oct 08 at 4:56pm
Of course, a kid doing their GCSEs would probably have found out that Bill Gates never said any of those things. And they weren't said, they were written. And not recently....
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 12 Oct 08 at 1:39pm
ASok,
The reason the loan system is fairer is because it levels the playing field. Everyone has to have the loan to get through uni whether they be poor or middle-class the only exception is the wealthy but it wall always be easier for them.
If you use a grant system it favours the poor, as they can claim the full grant, the wealthy dont have an issue as they can afford their education and the middle-classes suffer as generally their parents earn too much to warrant a grant but their disposable income is virtually nil.
The loan system should also encourage people to only go to uni if they feel they can get the successful career to pay it off and should deter those who just dont know what to do with their lives. Unfortunately in recent times society has forgotton the value of money and as such young people believe that credit cards and loans provide 'free' money.
Anyway regarding GCSE PE, it sounds like a great idea but how is it supposed to demonstrate a well rounded education? Hobbies are hobbies not subjects to be taken for meaningful educational qualifications. Stick to the core subjects, Maths, Sciences, Woodwork & Metalwork, Geography.
In life you need to be able to solve problems, fix things and know where your going, not prove to a bloke with elbow patches on his tweed jacket that you can tack and gybe.
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 9:13am
The loan system (at least, as it was set up in Scotland when i was at uni- graduated two years ago) appreared to me to favour the richer students in as much as my debt on leaving was around a third of that of a friend from a lower income family- I couldn't actually get as much debt as he could. Meanwhile the "abuse" of having divorced parents was taken to the extreme by some who took the maximum loan and invested it in ISAs, whilst being financially supported by a parent.
Posted By: Delphina
Date Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 8:48pm
hmm back on topic - couldnt be bothered to read the last 7 pages :D
All this stuff about videoing? And demonstrating stuff? I did GCSE PE and chose sailing as one of my options - all I had to do was get an instructor to sign a bit of paper saying I was A* standard. Is this just my school being cr*ppy?