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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Two proper boards it would have to be - you would never get proper flow around the board if you had a sharp angle at the leading edge. Would result in loads of drag and drastically reduced lift and be very unforgiving to changes in direction.
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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i know you said clever people only but im going to say something anyway. how would you store the spare board? it would have to be a centreboard boat i thjink. it might be worth it a class with a heavier weight so you get more righting moment from the board. i dont see why it wldnt work if you got a fairly decent shape but that might need alot of trail and error to sort out. go for it mate! |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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Thank you all for your interest in this topic. It would be agood idea to not have flat bottom boards as someone suggested and indeed you would only use one board at a time. Downwind stability could be a problem as well since the whole thing would have to be up. How about if you could swivel the board about its axis? or adjustable flaps on the trailing edge? I like the idea of a board which changes shape. You could do that with an eccentric ellipse running down the middle of a hollow soft shelled centere board. Do'nt expect me to do it, we struggle hard enough with our Taser.
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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The gospel according to Bethwaite reckons the extra lift will never make up for the extra drag. Water being so stiff, you hardly need any angle of attack to get lift, and sufficent angle of attack comes from the boat sailing along very slightly diagonally when sailing up wind. Having said which, I sailed with an aged GP14 sailor once who insisted on heeling the boat to leward when sailing up wind, even in a blow, as the curve in the hull gave him extra pointing - and out point everyone else we did! So maybe if you make the asymetry subtle enough.... |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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does that meen make the board very flat or very nearly normal shape?
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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as hyrodynamic as possible I think, ie good airfoil section. Flat is not necessarily good because you have to transition from leading edge to flat surface to trailing edge again and sudden changes in curve cause the water to accelerate quickly, creating displacement force. I guess, but don't know for sure, that a really thin board will be good - if you can make it stiff enough not to twist off. Upon which .... has anyone tried making their own foils? Out of what? |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Hold your horses there sonney!! lets not gett too carried away!!! making bits of your OWN boat?? |
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Boatboy ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
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as the extra mass would be stored in the hull it would'nt make any difference to righting moment.the board in the water would still have the same mass and the same lever so the same righting moment. it would make a difference to the pitching moment of the yacht as their would be more mass lower down in the boat thus lowering the centre of gravity of the boat.but only slightly. on the subject of building foils you have a multitude of choice depending on the class rules of the boat. personally i would use very high density foam 200kg/m3 plus and uni directional carbon
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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What about having a 'Bilge boards' arrangement like some scows? Only one foil need be in the water at a time, the other providing some ballast. I'd guess that over the years that Scows have been around, someone must have tried this and probably proved Bethwaites contention that drag will exceed lift. Couldn't resist the photo! Edited by Hector |
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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My memory of what FB said about his trials with flapped boards is that they found no noticeable difference with a +ve flap but did lose out with a -ve flap. BUT he then went on to say that they did the wrong experiment. With the flap the reality is that you could have had a smaller board and hence less wet drag and thus an advantage - albeit a very small advantage. He didn't go on and do the new experiment though! So if you did go this route you could and should go for a smaller board as well as a proper assymetric shape. |
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