Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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Laser 140101 Tynemouth |
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i14 vs 49er etc... |
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timnoyce ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Another thing to bear in mind is that just because a boat is 'sorted' for one person it may not be suited to another. I'm not sure how it works in the 14's but there are no 2 cherubs set up the same, people put things where they want them and if they don't like it they will move them. Unless you are very lucky (or adaptive) it can cost a fair amount of money to get the boat set up how you like it. I guess if you are from a SMOD background you will probably just get on with where things are positioned (however badly that may be!)
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Im not a 14 sailor and definantly not up to speed on 14 designs but I think the 3 was a bit of a departure that wasnt entirely succesfull, the 4 returned to the ideas of the 2 and the 5 is a slight advancement on the 4 |
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TeamFugu ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Dec 05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 80 |
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I think one key thing to remember about i14's is that until you can keep the thing upright all the way around the course, what type is fastest is of little concern. I'd recommend starting on something you can afford event better if there is room for adding more toys. After you get so you think the boat is slowing you down and your boat handling is similar to the top guys, upgrade to what is fast at that time. Often what is fast depends on who is in the boat more so than the boat itself. That way your learning time and breakage is on something less expensive.
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mike lennon ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: Philippines Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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the B4 and M11 are pretty closely matched as are the B5 and M12, i do think
the later two have a small edge but 11s are still the quickest downwind -- i think! if you stretch another couple of grand you might pick up a 12, 5s are difficult to pick up in the UK. There are a lot of 12s about some of which dont get many outings so whilst not actually on the market may be available. 12s are tricky to sail compared to the older designs. there is a view that the B2 is closer to the 5 than the 4 or 3 but i dont know for sure. |
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bovlike ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 221 |
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I think any of the uk boats are good if you are looking to spend about £7000 you won’t get a b4 or a Morrison 12. I would just make sure that you get a self tacking jib and a T foil all the boats are built well you also want to get one that has a few kilos of lead in it as the weight is coming down a little over the next two years. There are a few boats in the £6500 to £5500 range that are good boats for sale 1491, 1487 and 1466 which was an RMW works boat at the Bermuda worlds Hope this helps |
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Ian (Bov) Turnbull
18ft Skiff Ronstan UK Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
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skiffyskiferson ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 05 May 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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ok guys i think we are decided that the 14 is the best boat for us although its quite a difficult choice of boat to get!!! we are looking for a sensible priced boat probably in the region of 7k. i have looked at the website and read alot about them but it is hard to find info on which are the best designs, what to look for and what to avoid. if anyone has any hints or tips i would love to here them! (bov-you look like a bit of an expert)
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Strawberry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1337 |
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I would reccomend a B2 over a B3 as it's proven faster. The B4 was a step back towards the B2 design.
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Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Have a look at this link http://www.scottishskiffracing.com/for%20sale.htm . Gavin's 14 is a really good one, think it's Morrison 10, not the one he's sold but the one he's putting on the market. John's 49er is a good boat too. |
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bovlike ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 221 |
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I think the 14 is harder to tack as it is so small. A beiker 3 would be a good boat but you would want one with a self tacker for the jib as the first beiker 3s had a normal jib system. There are some good morison 10/11 up for sale now for about 5 grand. they would be on the pace.
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Ian (Bov) Turnbull
18ft Skiff Ronstan UK Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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A beiker 3 should be good for a few years, you may need some new sails in that time but what boat would not.
I think in some ways the 14 will be more difficult to manuver than the 49er. As the 14 is quite narrow you need to be on the wire for your weight to have much effect, wheras on the 9er just being out on the wing gives a lot of RM. But in a lot of ways they are the same, the rig is the boss |
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