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    Posted: 26 Apr 06 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by tickel

We have been practicing in our Tasar this afternoon. The wind was light to a bit gusty (the most technical of you will understand these terms). It seems quite dificult to keep fast in varying wind conditions, keeping the crew buisy adjusting things and

. An important consideration  when sailing Tasar inland, with no kite, is one of simplicity.

 

 



one tip is to understand when you are planing and what wind you are in. This will help you  choose pointing over up wind planing and how deep you go off wind.

You can judge when you start to plane on a tasar by looking at the quarter wave detach from the stern. If you know there is say only 7 knts of tru breeze then you should point the boat higher to attach the flow to the hull- upwind.

off wind you can choose to go high and plane or semi plane and then follow a gust down, even gybing to stay in it. When the flow comes back to the hull you can elect to go higher and try to plane again.

FB explains this in his usual easy to take in way and it really works to sort out the 'what should we be doing' on this meg alight boat.

do people use this 'attached - detached ' quarter wave in other boats

sold mine years ago. Maybe I'll buy one again with the new mylars one day...
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Angry Well, that's it! It had the desired effect and I'm jealous......
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The frostbite series started at RQYS this weekend - it must have been cold I even saw one person in a shortie rather than just rashie and board shorts...

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Wow, I never picked Ben as a Brit. It will be good to see him sailing a Tasar in the UK.

The 700 series Tasars were the first Australian-built series.

I can see your conditions are pretty different and certainly not great for Tasars; I just get cautious about mentioning the considerably lighter conditions you sail in 'cause it can sound a little bit like saying "gee we Aussies are so tough" when in fact you guys are much more dedicated and tougher, sailing in cold conditions in what seem to be sometimes dubious places.

Ahhh yes, the Sandringham worlds. Last time the nationals were in  Vic it was considerably stronger at times but the water was flat. But those 1 mile first beats in Sandringham were pretty hard on those of us (like you) with 130kg crew weight. Even more annoying was Bruce Paine finishing second overall at 130kg so we couldn't save our ego by blaming our light weight
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Best British worlds result I believe is Mark Barnes 5th in Australia in the late 80's early 90's. 

The new resident champion is Ben Nicholas who has now moved back to his home country. Very excited because he is moving down from London and maybe sailing at my club, Lymington, later in the season.

Given time we plan to fully train him in the art of talking with a plumy voice and eating with a knife and fork and teach him useful phrases like good morning, good afternoon, and a pint of beer barman... It may take a lot of work though, he has been well indoctrinated in his Darwin years. Even says he enjoyed it. Big question here is can we convert him in time for Thailand 2007.

Lasers and Finns?  not picking on them in particular but you must understand that most of our sailing is done in sub 15 knots in the UK and mainly sub 10 and non planing. We beat a whole host of boats in 20+ but PY is about average conditions not the occasional full on windy race. ( and then most of the other classes don't want to come out to play)  When checking weather for the Melbourne worlds we found AUS conditions are about 5 knots higher on average. (and then they set the start time to 2pm at Melbourne for the thermal 25-30 knot that we didnt know about)

Last night I got passed by a laser when my crew was sat to leward, then when the breeze came up 5 knots we sailed past him.

249 doesnt show on the AUS Member register so I was confused i thought it should be a canadian boat. Sounds like a good number to have. Is it a canadian with the wooden inwale?

 

 

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We have been practicing in our Tasar this afternoon. The wind was light to a bit gusty (the most technical of you will understand these terms). It seems quite dificult to keep fast in varying wind conditions, keeping the crew buisy adjusting things and jumping about but pacing ourselves against a well sailed GP 14 we were much, much quicker upwind and easily sailed over them downhill even with no kite. An important consideration  when sailing Tasar inland, with no kite, is one of simplicity. In our old boats Lark, Jav, Laser2 we would have storming short spinnaker legs then drop the b****dy thing in the water at the next mark or some other disaster. Tasar is a fast boat and requires concentration but on a small pond you  can get on with sailing it fast on just 2 sails. So they can be the answer inland. And by the way it is the most compfy boat I ever sat in!

 

 

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"Where are you sailing? Is 249 a Tasar"

New South Wales. The Tasar's a 700 series. I haven't sailed it for a long time unfortunately; was saving my energy for a major tilt at the worlds (used to be normally in the Linsley/Bretherton/Duglii/Ferret region of the fleet when I was a regular, but went through a time when I only raced once a year and dropped back) but major family issues got in the way.

I was going to flog the boat but then I took it out for the first time in yonks and realised just how great they are to sail. It's just a pity you need a regular crew because my logical crew owns her own cat and wants to sail that. The Tasar's been lent to a former state champ in Lasers and Tasars who hopefully will race it.

"Does anyone else feel Olympic level Lasers and Finns are slow?"

I must say, I reckon they're pretty slow in that while they're pretty quick for what they (ie a hiking singlehanded dinghy) that category of boat is just about the slowest form of sailing craft isn't it? Here in Sydney over the last few years we've had Schiedt, Ainslie, Blackburn etc and all the top Finn guys and they just can't hold the Tasar in most conditions, certainly not upwind or reaching in any breeze.

It doesn't mean the Laser isn't a great boat (I've never sailed the Finn) but it's just not in the same speed bracket as the Tasar most of the time. Of course that's no problem, if it's pure speed we're talking we all know that none of these classes is worth mentioning.

"Our new resident Tasar World Champion has only raced handicap a few times since coming back to the UK but he has not upset the local Merlin Fleet, yet..."

Yeah, the Whitstable Merlin guys tell me that even upwind in a breeze they can hold or beat the Tasars which is pretty impressive. But what UK sailor won the worlds? I thought the best were 8th and 9th?

 

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Have to agree with Chris about the Contender though carbon rigs have help them drop the odd kilo in the right place, Where are you sailing? Is 249 a Tasar?

The handicap question is never going to go away but are we looking at the right results. Does anyone else feel Olympic level Lasers and Finns are slow?  When in the UK they tend to sail on their own or with buddies rather than club race but the 'nearly' squad members are fast enough.  

Our new resident Tasar World Champion has only raced handicap a few times since coming back to the UK but he has not upset the local Merlin Fleet, yet... 

 

On the few occasions when the best sailors get together and sail against each other in their own boats, there is a clear indication of relative speeds. Compare this with the varied performance returns of club sailors on ponds, puddles and bits of tidal estuary. I know where I would prefer the data to be collected. what do you guys think or is a different thread.

A Tasar with new rig will be at Datchet next weekend for the try a boat event. Hope all the other classes will be showing up.

 

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The sea may be similar but most tasars aren't on the sea...I think 50% of the fleet are at Queen Mary reservoir.
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Wow, 1050 shows how different the conditions you sail in are.....or maybe not, the sea there is pretty similar to most of the water here isn't it????

We have a lot of guys who sail or have sailed both Lasers and Tasars at a good level (ie world champs in Tasars, world Masters winners and runner-up in Lasers, national Youth champs in Lasers, district champs against world-class sailors etc) and I don't think any would feel that a Laser @ 1078 would have a hope in hell against a Tasar @ 1050 in the stuff we sail in. Same with the Finn @ 1059, I was always amazed at the ease with which we used to blow past the top Olympic guys when they were training out here and rating the Tasar just 0009 faster would be a gift.

I know the Laser and Finn are cruelly handicapped in the UK, but from memory the Tasar was pretty competitive against Contenders etc (like the 2 time world champ) which were on a similar yardstick here.


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