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Norbert ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 351 |
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Can't find kazormorgan on the web, can you post a url please. Banks have laser training sails at £268 a pop. [edit] Rooster are £205 [\edit] Edited by Norbert |
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I have a feeling that post may be a bit like a joke only different ... |
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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Bruce Starbuck ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 124 |
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You were right, it was completely different to a joke. |
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Quite - I thought it was going to go along the Razor theme ... Amazing that such an unusual name had not been indexed by Google. I guess that is a reflection of our time that if we can't find somthing on Google we start to question it's existance ... Rick |
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Google must be wondering who/what Kazormorgan is after dozens of hits from forumites. Of course when you put in the missing C google delivers the info - so they must be real.
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Bump ... any more of you had experience with these at your club? Rick |
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Bruce Starbuck ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 124 |
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A lot of clubs allow the non-authentic laser sails. Used to be the case with Topper sails too, until Topper dropped the price of the proper sails so much it wasn't worth any sailmaker trying to compete. I had a look at one of the new Topper sails the other day and it was of APPALLING quality. The cloth was really soft and stretchy (I'm not sure it can actually have been designed as sailcloth), the edges of the panels/patches/leech tabling were fraying badly, the seams were of uneven width along their length, ranging from 9mm to about 18mm, and the stitching was all wavy. Aparrently, the old-style Topper sails are now in big demand, so if you've got an unused one tucked away somewhere, it could be worth something! Can't see Laser doing this though, so I guess sailmakers here will be able to carry on selling cheaper copies. The cloth the proper Laser sails are made from is (or used to be) Contender 3.8oz Polypreg, which is very good cloth and ideal for the job. Any sailmaker can get hold of this, so the type of cloth used isn't really an issue. There is no seam shape in a Laser sail apart from in the bottom seam and the vertical seam above the foot. Any sailmaker making "fake" Laser sails will just whack the seams together flat too, because it's quicker and easier, and also probably the right thing to do, so this won't be any different either. As far as I can see, it would be difficult to make any improvements in the cloth or the shape. All the sailmaker has to do is copy the luff curve (which is easy) and the shape in the bottom seams. (easy). Any sailmaker copying Laser sails has to be selling them for considerably less than an official sail, so it's not worth them using any other cloth or trying to make any improvements, as they are building to a price. I can't see why any club should have an issue with them being used for club racing.
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Harry44981! ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736 |
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The new topper sails aren't that bad, I think they are better than the hyde sails. They last longer, don't flutter at the leech as much in a breeze, and you can adjust the leech and footlines without it being a permanent change. Some people say they don't go as fast in light air, but I think this is due to needing different setting with them- loads of kicker, more outhaul, and slightly more downhaul. Some people are trying to find Hyde sails, but the new sails are just as good IMO- and far cheaper. |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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The conclusion seems to be
Add the facts that laser have in the past themselves changed the fabric (and for radials, the cut too) resulting in a range of sail designs competing at once anyway. Why don't the class association just licence three or four sailmakers to make "official" sails within set shape limits? |
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