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    Posted: 19 Apr 06 at 8:10am
Originally posted by Jon Emmett

If you are looking for good "training sails" Kazormorgan sails are good. Jon


Can't find kazormorgan on the web, can you post a url please. Banks have laser training sails at £268 a pop. [edit] Rooster are £205 [\edit]


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If you are looking for good "training sails" Kazormorgan sails are good. Jon
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 06 at 10:24pm

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

They aren't "fake sails". They don't pretend to be what they are not. They are "training sails".

They are not genuine Laser sails so they must be fakes.

Oh well - I think you know what I am on about; perhaps "fake" was the wrong word - training sails if you must ...

Just to be clear for all Laser events such as opens and above of course official Laser sails are a must.

But Rooster and others sell cheaper sails for Lasers and some people are interested in using such sails for club racing only.

Club racing is generally fun racing and people are often more relaxed about it - now of course a non-Laser sail is not class legal and as such the club would need to be agreed that this breach of the class rules is acceptable for the club races.

Seems from the above that many allow this and it causes no problem; I was very interested to see the decisions of other clubs and how that had panned out.

Perhaps this will help our club with this issue.

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no i meant at my club, i thought that was fairly obvious.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 06 at 6:51pm
Originally posted by mike ellis

i think they should alow it and i think it will be allowed officialy soon.


As much as I joke about SMODS, the day laser allows unnoficial sails to be used legaly will be a sad day indeed
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Portchester allowed training sails a couple of years ago, and I'm not aware of any problems. The only problem really is that the "official" sails are too flimsy, and too expensive!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 06 at 4:34pm

ive heard mumblings of this at hill head but noone has a rooster sail anyway in the laser fleet. i think they should alow it and i think it will be allowed officialy soon. i will let you know as soon as i know.

ps i sail a feva so im not entirely sure what the lasers are doing.

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I'm not sure what the opinion is for Lasers at my club, but lots of the Topper sailors use training sails- it's only club racing after all.
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As long as the sails are not designed to be faster, let them in. At our club we see it as merely a way of keeping the price down to encourage the Laser fleet.

Mind you, the main real reason Laser sails don't last seems to be the way they get treated.....people sticking them up and letting them flog for 45 minutes while they rig, chat, get dressed, launch and sit around between races. I know guys who have used 2 year old sails to win champs against the world champ, because they cared for the good sail and used an old one for training and club racing. It's like old hulls, seems to be more of a mental difference than reality. There's not more than 10% of Laser (or other class) sailors who are limited by sail and hull quality anyway, are there?



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 06 at 2:32pm

We allow the Rooster sail at Lancing - Rooster sell it as a replica sail and have endeavoured to make it as similar to the real thing as possible.

They sell it as a training sail with the aim of saving your expensive official Laser sail.

There have been no complaints about this sail giving an advantage.

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