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    Posted: 16 Apr 06 at 8:23pm
Does anyone know if the tasar PN different with the new mylar sails, they seem to go quite a bit quicker with the new sail plan?
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I was down at my club today for the first time since before christmas and there were two quite old looking boats down there, both with the new mylars.

Couldnt say whether they're any quicker (though id be amazed if they wernt) but they certainly look the muts

The old rig was suposed to be about the same handicap as me so will be interesting over the next few weeks how I get on against them... I was munching them downwind today (was never close enough to say anything about upwind) but somehow I doubt it was ideal conditions for them!
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The only way which the PN number will change is if the RYA get enough returns from clubs indicating a change in performance to justify lowering the PN.
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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

The only way which the PN number will change is if the RYA get enough returns from clubs indicating a change in performance to justify lowering the PN.

So can any class change its sail plan, then sail around on its old PN, winning everything for a year or so, before anything changes?

Surely they should have a Trial Number until a number can be fairly allocated?

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In general, I think PNs are changed through returns from clubs to the RYA. Think that was the case when the 505s went with bigger kites and what's been happening with most development classes which haven't had major changes but still some changes. It is unfair that certain boats will have an advantage for a short time through modifications to their rules but in general it balances out.
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Originally posted by allanorton

Surely they should have a Trial Number until a number can be fairly allocated?



Certainly, but that's down to the clubs not the RYA. Classes change all the time, sometimes by rule changes, sometimes just by new ideas. If a club decides a change is significant enough to justify a number change it should issue a trial number and rep[ort tht to the RYA at the end of the year. If class believes that a change has made a significant difference it would be sportsmanlike to make a recommendation to clubs about a possible change.
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I believe that the new Tasar sails have proved no faster as yet than the old dacron ones. There is no real reason why they should. We are sailing a Tasar this season and to day we struggled up wind in a gusty 3-4 making the PY seem over optomistic. We then lent the boat to my son and my daughters boy friend who swapped over each lap and made us realise how fast the boat is and how slow we are. It howls on the reaches but is dificult to master up wind by us two old buggers. Can we have our own PY please?
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Any views on the upgraded sails from Austrailian forum members?
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"So can any class change its sail plan, then sail around on its old PN, winning everything for a year or so, before anything changes?"

Yes, and classes like International 14s do it regularly instead of once every 25 years don't they?

If I remember rightly, the new sails are not supposed to be significantly, if at all, faster. That was a half-remembered mid-race conversation with one of the guys who makes the sails and is a tasar chamo, but I can't recall clearly.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 49erGBR735HSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 06 at 5:20pm
I don't know if its relevant but when my club had a good fleet of 505s. one boat converted to a Kevlar sail plan and the rest were still on dacrons. Nobody considered asking for the PN to be changed on that boat. Reckon the Mylar sails on the Tasar is more to increase the life of competitive sails than to enhance performance and also make the boat more aesthetically pleasing.
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