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    Posted: 10 Apr 06 at 9:27am

The Hobie Dragoon and KL16(?) are trying to fill that spot, but it seems the Hobie 16 mafia is so strong it beats off any opposition, leaving the youths with an old, difficult to sail unappealing boat to campaign. Brian Phipps has been amazing in his push to make cats fun for children, but the fact that he has had so much publicity doing in cats what many people do in monohulls shows how few people are following his lead.

I think if I could find a way of moving back to Falmouth, I would take up cat sailing, as I crewed Darts there every so often and had a great time. On a small lake in the Cotswolds, I'll stick with a Monohull.
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Originally posted by Chris 249

Without wanting to be too harsh, maybe it's a little bit tough for you to complain that they are looking down on cats, when you run around with a tag implying that no-one should sail slow boats (like the boats most people sail)? Don't you think that such an attitude may be part of the reason some people are not too fond of cats?




Yeah I have to say there is an element of my expereince in this...'proper, brave sailors sail cats..' when I was a sprogg

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Originally posted by damp_freddie

Originally posted by Chris 249

Without wanting to be too harsh, maybe it's a little bit tough for you to complain that they are looking down on cats, when you run around with a tag implying that no-one should sail slow boats (like the boats most people sail)? Don't you think that such an attitude may be part of the reason some people are not too fond of cats?




Yeah I have to say there is an element of my expereince in this...'proper, brave sailors sail cats..' when I was a sprogg

They are enthusiasts...or believers.... once you get one of those UFO beleivers in the house there is no getttng rid of them!

 

IMO the problem is with the ISAF and the choice of the H16 as the yoof boat...

They choose the Hobie 16 as the youth boat - it is a horrid boat that no-one likes and the only reason people sail it is it progress upto the F18/Tornado - the guys who spent last winter at Grafham confirmed this, they did not like it and only sailed the H16 as they had no choice.

Given the choice between a Hobie 16 - old, slow horrid and a 29er, which would you sail.  I'd have sailed the 29er.  Brian Phipps does  agreat job down in Falmouth with the Dragoon's, but if we could get them all sailing (say) Spitfires, the world would be a much better place  
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Yeah the spitfire looks the part.

But is i not the French and US lobby which hold the balance on the H16?
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Originally posted by damp_freddie

Yeah the spitfire looks the part.

But is i not the French and US lobby which hold the balance on the H16?

 

Exactly......   And so cat sailing suffers in the UK because we know how crap the H16 really is.....



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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by damp_freddie

Yeah the spitfire looks the part.

But is i not the French and US lobby which hold the balance on the H16?

 

Exactly......   And so cat sailing suffers in the UK because we know how crap the H16 really is.....



Having sailed H16s for 3 years in the past at a very high level I would appreciate it if you wouldn't call them crap - they are the best boat in the world on a F5 reach, just maybe not in other directions.  Try calling them a freak instead, because they are nothing like any other cat.

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OK, it's a freak then
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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

- it is a horrid boat that no-one likes


They sell a shed load of boats worldwide for something *no-one* likes... A good trick if you can manage it!
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They look great parked on a tropical beach!
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they dont look so great after being parked in the dinghy park for several years without moving.
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