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    Posted: 10 Apr 06 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by Chris 249

Without wanting to be too harsh, maybe it's a little bit tough for you to complain that they are looking down on cats, when you run around with a tag implying that no-one should sail slow boats (like the boats most people sail)? Don't you think that such an attitude may be part of the reason some people are not too fond of cats?




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The Hobie Dragoon and KL16(?) are trying to fill that spot, but it seems the Hobie 16 mafia is so strong it beats off any opposition, leaving the youths with an old, difficult to sail unappealing boat to campaign. Brian Phipps has been amazing in his push to make cats fun for children, but the fact that he has had so much publicity doing in cats what many people do in monohulls shows how few people are following his lead.

I think if I could find a way of moving back to Falmouth, I would take up cat sailing, as I crewed Darts there every so often and had a great time. On a small lake in the Cotswolds, I'll stick with a Monohull.

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Without wanting to be too harsh, maybe it's a little bit tough for you to complain that they are looking down on cats, when you run around with a tag implying that no-one should sail slow boats (like the boats most people sail)? Don't you think that such an attitude may be part of the reason some people are not too fond of cats?

Maybe also the comparatively small number of cats could be due to the facvt that it seems that there aren't as many cat sailors out there training the new sailors.

It seems to be the mono sailors who are out there, running classes for kids in boats like Optis and Mirrors. Then they progress the kids into 420s etc.....then the cat sailors want to come along and say "now a dinghy sailor has spent hundreds of hours teaching you to sail and running classes for you, you should move to cats instead of sailing that slow boat, life's too short". No wonder the mono sailors get a bit annoyed! And by that time, the kids have a monohull mindset and normally they don't want to sail cats. It's not that they are anti-cat, it's just that they look for different things from sailing.

This isn't cat-bashing from outside - similar comments come from a successful international builder of high performance cats. And windsurfers have been losing numbers because they largely ignore the kids, too (just mentioned that because I love windsurfers and wanted to underline that it's not just a cat problem, but a problem for any part of the sport that does little to encourage new sailors). So surely cats could get more new sailors if they put in the time and effort to teach them from a young age. Where, for example, is the cat sailor's Opti and Radial?





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alot of clubs look down on cats and dont promote this in the case of the olympics and the rya i get the impression they have only just started to care about catamarans!
lifes to short to sail slow boats!

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It is kind of a culture thing

I really don't know why cats don't appeal to me when I like fast motorbikes and good downhills on a racing push bike over 50mph.

I'm sure if I went on cats in warm water with a scantily clad scandonavaouly born instructoress I could be persuaded...
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

A third of Britain has a North Sea coast!

 

But we do not get quite the same rolling surf !!!!

And the previaling wind is offshore in GB on the NS coast, thus even less surf....

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and north sea water temperatures to complliment it.

 

Then again, cold seas mean better sea breezes when there is little or no gradient wind....

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A third of Britain has a North Sea coast!
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The reason Cats are more popular in Holland is that most of the sailing there is on the north sea and thru big rolling surf.  You cannot launch most (any?) mono's thru big rolling surf, where as you can cats.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chew my RS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 8:13am

Funny how this thread has produced some of the most heated debate. 

I grew up sailing cats and prefer them to dinghies in many ways.  If I lived on the coast I would sail a cat by preference, but my lake is doesn't allow them, so dinghies it is.  But its not just the speed thing that makes me prefer cats.  I have little desire to sail a 49er or I14, so speed isn't everything.  Cats are smooth, easy to sail (not so easy to sail well), simple to rig, fun and the racing is just as good as in monos. You really need the right location for them though, big sandy beaches are a great help.  In my experience cats are much more popular abroad (UK perspective!), and in Holland they seem to out-number dinghies.

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