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Dead Air ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 80 |
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But with the time taken to tack ( and I'm nto just talkinf about cats here, fast dinghys B14, 49er etc as well) you can't make use of the smaller shifts, your looking more for the longer duration wind patterns, long ossicilations, wind swing etc. I agree that cats sailing long courses do have their own unique tactical considerations, but put a fast boat on a short course and it corner time! |
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Harry44981! ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736 |
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From my (limited) cat experience, I have to say I much prefer dinghy sailing- for racing anyway. Cats are nice for having a blast once in a while. |
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Dead Air ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 80 |
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I think cats are good for long distance races, but for boat on boat racing, you can't beat a dinghy |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Agreed, but it is different. when sailing cat; you have to plan the next leg as tacking has to be considered; in a slow boat you can react to the small shifts. The sailing is different, but still very tactical and because the speeds are so much higher, even tiny mistakes are punished by big distance loss. I remember a conversation I had a while ago with a visitor at grafham, he was asking why the cats were so far apart "Simon, you looked like you were about 100m ahead of the next boat when you finished, why so far ahead?" My answer was that 100m is not very far when you are travelling at 15kts (13 seconds????). |
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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Isis,
Just because you have a small boat and have to show your manliness through big sails. And i don't care how fast cherubs go so dont bother comparing a 4k to a cherub b4 thinking about it. The only reason i started the thread was because i didn't know how fast cats were to dinghys and now i know. But thanks for taking the piss it was a really helpfull post ![]() |
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Dead Air ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 80 |
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A little harsh me thinks...
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Villan ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768 |
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Thats because they are fast enough to generate enough aparent wind. Take a look at something like a rs800 .. once it gets moving, it can point quite a long way downwind, yet both crew can be trapezing flat, and the boat can be at full speed. Same thing goes with a cat .. thet are just a chunk faster :P [edit: and well said BBSCFaithfull ] Edited by Villan |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Once again... where have cherubs been mentioned? Stop trying to make sh*t up to hide behind, if you have a problem with me finding it ammusing that you think a 4k is comparable to ANY cat then say it straight. |
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Tornado_ALIVE ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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Not this bloody argument again....... If you think cats or skiffs are less tactical, don't tack, gybe or are easier to sail...... Then sail one at a competitive level then come back to be with the conclusion..... I'll save you some time. It is total BS. Regarding speed..... Up wind the cat will smoke a mono. Only the 18 skiff is getting sort of close to a cat upwind. Downwind, cats with kites will smoke most monos with only the Aussie skiffs giving them a bit of competition. If you wish to knock the cats..... Post your credentials..... What cat racing have you done, at what level and what cat. It seems that those how wish to knock cats have only ever punted around on a beat up Hobie 16 or 18 at best...... reaching back and forth. Go out and race in an F-18, Tornado, A Class fleet or something of the same standard. When you reach the top half of the fleet atleast, then come back and comment. Edited by Tornado_ALIVE |
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Tornado_ALIVE ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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Sorry mate, but this is a perfect example of a totaly uneducated comment. And what basis are you making this comment..... |
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