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    Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 9:12am

Whats the crack with the new rules? I heard that they have scrapped most of them and said do what you want is that true?

 
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There are no new rules at the moment. What there is a proposal that may or may not be voted on at some time in the future. The proposal as it stands, which might or might not be what eventually gets voted on, if anything does is:-

1) Return the IC to the box rules that were in use for the majority of the IC history up to the early 1970s. The hull is currently one design.

2) Free up the location of some of the minimum measurements so that they can put in the best location on the boat, making the rule a bit less type-forming

3) Tighten up a lot of the detail of the rules so that loop holes that have been discovered by other classes since the 1960s are avoided.

4) Reduce the minimum weight to 50kg

Now there are a few folk speculatively building boats to this proposed rule set. This is very nice of them because there is absolutely nothing to say that these boats will ever be legal ICs or even have a long term future being allowed to race with ICs, but it allows the class to make an informed decision.

The whole thing is very similar, as I understand it, because I wasn't involved with Canoes then, to the way that the AC (Asymmetric Canoe) started. Some folk just fancied the idea and built some with no guarantee it would ever be legal, and of course those boats are, technically, not International Canoes, they are effectively a separate class. There's no proposal on the table to move the AC away from a one design hull.
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here's andy P's boat latest pics

a bit straighter than steve's

max beam is the same at 750mm.

at the mast it's only 500 wide, which is half the beam of the Nethercott boats

very light at estimated 40kg all up ( + 10 kg of lead )

with big mainsail only, no jib ( not enough hands )





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Interesting.. havnt a couple of boats tried the single sail idea but gone back to a jib saying it was quicker?
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Originally posted by JimC

There are no new rules at the moment. What there is a proposal that may or may not be voted on at some time in the future. The proposal as it stands, which might or might not be what eventually gets voted on, if anything does is:-

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I feel the IC class need to be very carefull, as do all classes to some extent. The introduction of the AC has created a split in the class which is not as healthy as the publicity would have us believe, and while time will show, has not been much of the blessing the Moths move to foils was.

Clearly, maintaining the plinth of 'fastest singlehander in the world' is less important for many as looking after boat resale prices and keeping a cap on existing sailing costs. Let's face it, the IC could not really be termed slow, even in the Aussie skiff filled context we think these days.

If voted, and these rules were applied to the AC's that would effectively create 2 classes and if not.....3 classes.

All that said, I think the new proposals represent a very exciting development and a show of real progression . I would dearly love to see this sort of class develop and should it do so as a development class, strongly consider building and racing one myself.
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Originally posted by Isis

Interesting.. havnt a couple of boats tried the single sail idea but gone back to a jib saying it was quicker?
Speaking for developments I have tried on my cat, an Una configeration is more efficient to a fractional jib set if equal sail areas are used. The thing is, the jibs addition of sail area isn't proportional to drive/heal/ crazyness like an increase in main size is. The other thing.... which I assume is what counts for the IC's is that a fore sail makes the mains sheeting angle less critical, or more correctly, the main is efficient at a greater range of angles.

If the rules define sail area without configeration specification, una will win every time.

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Originally posted by Bumble

If the rules define sail area without configeration specification, una will win every time.

Would be interesting to know what would win if, say, sail area were free and people had to find the max thrust for a given heeling moment/righting moment.

Una is great for lift/drag, but the centre of effort of a rig with jib would be lower and maybe permit a greater total area for a given heeling moment. Most of the data I've come across in Marchaj etc. refers to thrust/sideforce, which is not really the point.

The class needs to choose the config with the greatest thrust for the righting moment they have available...
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An unofficial poll on the proposed International Canoe 'Box Rules' can be found at http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=328 58

Have your say.
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I still rekon Andy P will dominate - he seems a little tooo good................

But mate, by the looks of things youve got a big foredeck - with no jib is this necessary? or does copit space not matter?

I am loving the new swept back bows, love it on the A class too!!

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Even after only a few months owning a canoe it seems clear that cockpit space is largely irrelevant - you don't spend much time in it... Even if its light you're still perched on the seat even if your feet are at the lee side of the hull. The only limiting factor is getting the weight forward enough in the light stuff. What I am yet to understand is how much of a problem dragging a pointy transom in in light air: I suppose it may be less of an issue than a square transom boat - in that way it maybe behaves more like a sailboard hull!

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