Something’s happening
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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: Something’s happening
Posted By: JimC
Subject: Something’s happening
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:24pm
But do you know what it is, Mr Jones? |
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Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:29pm
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that looks like and IC to me and a nice one to i like the paint job ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:31pm
looks like the kind of thing i'd design in my ruff book at school (nice reference to dylan btw) ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:40pm
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that looks like a beast but if it is an IC were is the spinni suit? ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:44pm
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the spinni on the IC are a new thing and the older ones do not have them and there is still a good fleet for the ones with out a kite i think its def an IC ------------- |
Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:52pm
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IC, but are there new rules for narrow ones? Doesn't look as wide as others that I have seen. ------------- www.sailfd.org/GBR - GBR Flying Dutchman |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:53pm
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yer well the spinni on it must be such a laugh in the windy stuff yer i has got to be otherwise it is a radicly cool moth!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:57pm
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I assume it is the 1st boat to act as a test bed to decide whether the new rules will happen. The AC's are probebly going to stay with the Nethercot hull, which means there are a sudden lot of boats for conversion. Looks cool, but does it sail? edit - just been on the IC site, and it is Steve Clark's Wonk. He is the man spearheading the rule changes, and one can see why, if he has such designs floating around in his head! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 10:16pm
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Wow. Ive been keeping half an eye on whats going on with the proposed rule changes but didnt think anyone was anywhere near getting a skinny boat on the water... Hows Andy P getting on with his plans Jim? Edit: Just found some pics of Andys canoe.. looks wider but very 'paterson' ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 8:56am
Current IC
The proposed rules aren't actually that different in beam. The minimum beam is the same as it was when the current hull was designed before they went one design: its just that the current hullshape was a bit wider than the minimum. The main difference is that the proposed rule set doesn't much restrict where the maximum beam has to come : you can make it thinner at the front if you can put up withit being fatter at the back (remember it has to be pointed both ends) Andy's boat and Steve's both have the same beam I believe, its just that the camera does lie! Steves' boat looks so thin because the hull tapers in above the waterline (tumblehome) whereas Andy's design is parallel and the current boats flared. Both boats are designed for use wihout kites. |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 9:12am
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Whats the crack with the new rules? I heard that they have scrapped most of them and said do what you want is that true?
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 10:11am
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There are no new rules at the moment. What there is a proposal that may or may not be voted on at some time in the future. The proposal as it stands, which might or might not be what eventually gets voted on, if anything does is:-
1) Return the IC to the box rules that were in use for the majority of the IC history up to the early 1970s. The hull is currently one design. 2) Free up the location of some of the minimum measurements so that they can put in the best location on the boat, making the rule a bit less type-forming 3) Tighten up a lot of the detail of the rules so that loop holes that have been discovered by other classes since the 1960s are avoided. 4) Reduce the minimum weight to 50kg Now there are a few folk speculatively building boats to this proposed rule set. This is very nice of them because there is absolutely nothing to say that these boats will ever be legal ICs or even have a long term future being allowed to race with ICs, but it allows the class to make an informed decision. The whole thing is very similar, as I understand it, because I wasn't involved with Canoes then, to the way that the AC (Asymmetric Canoe) started. Some folk just fancied the idea and built some with no guarantee it would ever be legal, and of course those boats are, technically, not International Canoes, they are effectively a separate class. There's no proposal on the table to move the AC away from a one design hull. |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 10:37pm
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here's andy P's boat latest pics
a bit straighter than steve's max beam is the same at 750mm. at the mast it's only 500 wide, which is half the beam of the Nethercott boats very light at estimated 40kg all up ( + 10 kg of lead ) with big mainsail only, no jib ( not enough hands ) 
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 11:32am
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Interesting.. havnt a couple of boats tried the single sail idea but gone back to a jib saying it was quicker?
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Posted By: Bumble
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 3:31pm
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Clearly, maintaining the plinth of 'fastest singlehander in the world' is less important for many as looking after boat resale prices and keeping a cap on existing sailing costs. Let's face it, the IC could not really be termed slow, even in the Aussie skiff filled context we think these days. If voted, and these rules were applied to the AC's that would effectively create 2 classes and if not.....3 classes. All that said, I think the new proposals represent a very exciting development and a show of real progression . I would dearly love to see this sort of class develop and should it do so as a development class, strongly consider building and racing one myself. |
Posted By: Bumble
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 3:44pm
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If the rules define sail area without configeration specification, una will win every time. |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 9:41pm
Would be interesting to know what would win if, say, sail area were free and people had to find the max thrust for a given heeling moment/righting moment. Una is great for lift/drag, but the centre of effort of a rig with jib would be lower and maybe permit a greater total area for a given heeling moment. Most of the data I've come across in Marchaj etc. refers to thrust/sideforce, which is not really the point. The class needs to choose the config with the greatest thrust for the righting moment they have available... |
Posted By: IC 018
Date Posted: 02 Apr 06 at 10:55pm
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An unofficial poll on the proposed International Canoe 'Box Rules' can be found at http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32858 - http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=328 58 Have your say. |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 10:15am
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I still rekon Andy P will dominate - he seems a little tooo good................ But mate, by the looks of things youve got a big foredeck - with no jib is this necessary? or does copit space not matter? I am loving the new swept back bows, love it on the A class too!! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 10:32am
| Even after only a few months owning a canoe it seems clear that cockpit space is largely irrelevant - you don't spend much time in it... Even if its light you're still perched on the seat even if your feet are at the lee side of the hull. The only limiting factor is getting the weight forward enough in the light stuff. What I am yet to understand is how much of a problem dragging a pointy transom in in light air: I suppose it may be less of an issue than a square transom boat - in that way it maybe behaves more like a sailboard hull! |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 11:02am
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As long as its still laminar flow over the transum i cant imagine it causing too much of an issue. ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |