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    Posted: 21 Mar 06 at 10:40pm
I do not SA are too far off the mark

the 14 is raced worldwide, and if they can get the americans excited about sailing small boats then they are doing better than a lot of other classes.


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[QUOTE=JimC]The 14 is a very good boat these days. They bit the bullet and ditched all the stupid rules that made the 80s I14 something of a joke amongst those who knew something about the international state of the art.

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Do you have the figures to show whether the boat is more popular now or in the 1980's? Were the old "stupid" rules more or less popular then the new (clever?) rules? The boats were certainly slower, but could more people manage them? I know I used to crew them occasionally on the Thames in the very early 80's (sailing early 70's designs, usually) and I could jump in and cope. I doubt that it is possible any more without rather more practice and experience (I was in my mid teens).

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Very biased on this, I'm afraid......but depends how you define "race".

Are the criteria about:

"equality" as created by a 1 design?

a boat that can perform in a broad range of conditions?

Appreciate that everyone will have a different definition, however for me you are probably looking at either a fireball/505/flying dutchman if you want the best design.

 

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im prety sure this topic has cropped up before and just turned into development v smod sl*gging match. i give you about 2 more pages before that happens.
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Originally posted by charlie w

Very biased on this, I'm afraid......but depends how you define "race".

Are the criteria about:

"equality" as created by a 1 design?

a boat that can perform in a broad range of conditions?

Appreciate that everyone will have a different definition, however for me you are probably looking at either a fireball/505/flying dutchman if you want the best design.



I think the point of the awards was to give credit where something good was going on last year. I dont think I even heard of an FD event last year, let alone saw a boat... Fireball worlds were pretty special, so they could have been in the running mind....

Best design? For the 70's maybe... I'm sure if SA were around then they could have awarded it to one of them....

Personally think the I Moth should have had it, but there are hardly any racing stateside!

Nothing like a "Best of" list to start a good flamewar...
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Originally posted by aardvark_issues


I think the point of the awards was to give credit where something good was going on last year. I dont think I even heard of an FD event last year, let alone saw a boat... Fireball worlds were pretty special, so they could have been in the running mind....

Best design? For the 70's maybe... I'm sure if SA were around then they could have awarded it to one of them....

Personally think the I Moth should have had it, but there are hardly any racing stateside!

Nothing like a "Best of" list to start a good flamewar...
I think you are suffering from "If I can't see it it never hapened" syndrome. The FD is a much bigger class abroad than it is in Britain so the best racing happens abroad and perhaps less in veiw of the british sailor. The fireballs in Britain are massivly larger than in other countries.

I have never seen a current rules international 14 in a race in britain, mostly because I have never been to the Itchen but that doesnt' mean I don't belive that there is good racing. In fact I belive that they are fantastic race boats, but I also know for a fact that the FD, furball and 505 have superb racing.

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Originally posted by aardvark_issues

I think the point of the awards was to give credit where something good was going on last year. I dont think I even heard of an FD event last year, let alone saw a boat... Fireball worlds were pretty special, so they could have been in the running mind....

Well given that SA is an American site and there were no USA boats at the fireball worlds it makes it kind of unlikely the fireball would of won.

In fact most of the sailors Ive spoken to in the USA have hardly herd of the Fireball although they have all herd of the FD and 5o5.

And as somone said above, anything that can get Americans exited about dinghy sailing has to be doing things right



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I think the point of the awards was to give credit where something good was going on last year. I dont think I even heard of an FD event last year, let alone saw a boat...

Jamie's right - just cos you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. In FD world, the same something good goes on year after year. We get to sail a fast, thoroughbred, forgiving boat that also happens to be stunning to look at, in the company of like-minded souls who can see through the SMOD hype. All over Europe there are people who've NEVER seen an RS of any description! Imagine that! Obviously that means that the entire RS fleet is a figment of our collective imagination.

The best/worst debate is at best pointless and at worst puerile and insulting. It is worth thinking about why some classes seem to inspire lifelong loyalty and affection, while others are regarded by all who sail them as "this year's thing" and are dropped as soon as "next year's thing" comes along. Discuss....

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