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    Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:26pm

I did the 59er with a combined 200Kg a few weeks ago.  We swam too.  It was a case of:

Q. How much roll should we put into this tack?
A. Not that much!

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 49erGBR735HSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:56pm
Will be sailing the 49er with a guy who plays rugby and weighs about 17 stone, should be interesting, will keep everyone posted, reckon it will entail a bit of swimming though
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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

That's what I was trying to get at russel, don't think theres any point in trying to make a direct comparision between the two boats, but both are really good boats


yeah, but it is progress with the rocker and dead rise being designed  to eliminate more of the drag in the curve to planing than the 49er, let alone the older B14 which as you rightly say is aimed at lighter sailors with a higher expectation of effort for performace- I'vee sailed them a fw times and they are hard work but nice.

My comment vombat was IN a breeze of 12 knts, not at  a speed of 12 or 14. As I said in windier conditions the  B14 is faster. But do you do 6.9 knts uphill in 7 of breeze and 9 off wind in the same?

59er is a light airs rocket designed to  put the fun back into what are average inshore summer conditions for many heavy sailors otherwise overlooked for a modern hike out boat ( or signle trap now)


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That's what I was trying to get at russel, don't think theres any point in trying to make a direct comparision between the two boats, but both are really good boats
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Post Options Post Options   Quote russell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 8:07pm

I don't think the question here is which is best - they are both superb boats but as previously stated on this thread targetted at different sailors.  I don't think that there is any question over the fact that ther 59er will carry more weight than a B14 - the original topic of this thread.  I am way too heavy to helm a B14 and usually sail with a novice crew on a small lake.  The B14 needs a little more experience and larger stretches of water to stretch its long legs. 

Tell you what though, crossing a 100 acre pond at 20 knts doesn't half improve your boat handling!

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Just a quick point, isn't the B14 targetted towards a different sailor than the 59er? The B14 is a boat which performs well with highly agile sailors where as the 59er is targetted at heavier sailors, maybe the reason that the same company is selling both the classes? If they were boats which rival each others market, I don't think it woulld be good business for the same company to be promoting both boats.

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Ok it may say that on the ovi site but it does not say that is the optimum weight! and it says 180kg  in the same line!! 

 I just gave you my point that we were 165kg and would have liked to havee been fatter up wind.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote russell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 4:22pm

Originally posted by combat wombat

PS this lifted straight from Ovingtons website (the distributor in the UK for the 9ers)

"The 59er is a non-trapeze, 4.7m sailing dinghy, rigged with an asymmetric spinnaker. It is designed for a crew weight of 145kg to 180kg"

Ok I was 5 kgs out but still, thats what Ovi's reckon.

Don't forget you have to add lead to brig you up to 150 KG - the minimum crew weight.  So in theory no-one should sail with less than that.

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From my experiance of the 59er be it only one day. It was windy ut very shifty i felt that there was more than enough power there to carry s fair amount of weight. we sailed it with two 11 and 1/2 stone sailors and we were working very hard all day.

I saw it sail in very light breeze the next week admitaly with only 20 stone on board and it seemed to be in a different leauge to most boats speed wise.
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PS this lifted straight from Ovingtons website (the distributor in the UK for the 9ers)

"The 59er is a non-trapeze, 4.7m sailing dinghy, rigged with an asymmetric spinnaker. It is designed for a crew weight of 145kg to 180kg"

Ok I was 5 kgs out but still, thats what Ovi's reckon.
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