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Villan 
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 Topic: Wanted - Topaz Uno Race XPosted: 08 Mar 06 at 11:10pm |
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Indeed .. Vareos do look good fun.
I'm currently in talks with a Vareo owner over the price of his boat ... should be seeing you at a southern event soon 5420 :) Oh .. and I would personally not go for a Topaz OR a Pico ... But something like a Feva (can be sailed singlehanded in lighter stuff) |
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m_liddell
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Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 11:52pm |
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Why for the love of God WHY?? It must be the heaviest worst fitted out poorly designed piece of junk I've ever sailed. At sunsail half the fleet of 12 of them were always out of action. It takes 3 people to pick one up! It even has the same rudder fittings as a topper when this thing has an asy. spin and fully battened main |
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tack'ho
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 9:33am |
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It really highlights Toppers marketing/Business plan. Why if they have the Byte and the Blaze in their range would they need the Topaz Race range? So curiosity got the better of me and I checked out their whole range and then cross referenced it to the boats they are actively marketing. Hands up if you can guess what material all of these boats are made out of. I wonder which manufacturing technique gives the largest margins?
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Black no sugar
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 10:36am |
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Rupert
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 11:12am |
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Sorry! Quite right, doesn't work at all on this forum... Topaz is a complete waste of the world's oil resources, the boat shouldn't be touched with a barge pole and instead you should buy either a Cherub or an MPS, both of which have the incredibly powerful internet presence you need for a sailing dinghy. Better? |
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jeffers
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 11:17am |
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Topper don't market the Blaze at all, it is done by the CA (who do an excellant job). Also there is currently a backlog of Blaze's on order as they cannot (or will not) build them fast enough to satisfy demand.
I will admit the new Blaze on the stand did look good :-) Paul |
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jeffers
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 11:21am |
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Oh and Rupert.....take a chill pill man....
No one has even mentioned the MPS or Cherub as a suitable alternative (yet). I would say the boats already suggested as alternates are good ideas (Blaze, Vareo et al). There are 2 Topaz Uno races (with the spi conversion). They hardly ever race and when they do they do badly (even in a blow) and they are sailed by 2 guys who were at the front of the 470 fleet (dont ask why I don't know why they switched). There is a definite current against the 'carrier bag' remoulds on this forum. My good lady (who knows very little about sailing) wondered if she could use one the new breed of 'carrier bags' as a bath tub as thats what they looked like! Stick with GRP/Wood (and carriers bags for Toppers, they only boat that really works in that material). Just my 2p.... |
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Chew my RS
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 11:42am |
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At the risk of turning this into a TI free-for-all, I quite agree. Their range is so confusing, boats come and go before you realise it, others don't actually go but you think they have. New ones appear with barely a whisper and seem to compete against each other. Their boats are generally ugly and the names seem to be randomly selected with no common thread to help establish a brand name. The website is confusing to say the least (e.g. Xenon page has picture of Omega). It is good that have developed boats for the non-racing sector of the market, but their only selling point seems to be that they are cheap. If I was Topper, I would worry if a Chinese company entered the market. I have nothing personal against Topper and some of their boats are good (Topper, Byte, Blaze, Buzz(?)), but their marketting is truly awful. They do okay because they get big orders from the holiday companies (and the Topper sells well) but having all your eggs in one basket has got to be risky...
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tack'ho
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 12:21pm |
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Go and look at their website, the pages for their Plastic dinghies are full of lifestyle improving prose. The Byte and Blaze are 3 words long, I just don't get it. If their not interested why dont they sell the moulds to someone who will build and market them, I'm sure someone would take the Blaze off their hands, the Byte might be harder to find a biulder for, but however maybe doesn't need a UK biulder as you could import them from Italy.
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5420
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Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 12:46pm |
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firstly is the person that put thison hear acherly reading it he has not put any thing els on hear and i i was him i would want to know more about the classes menchond also we are all talking about lots of diffrent classes but that is the mine problem if we all got the same boat (not laser) that was a good boat im not going to argue what it should be (vareo) then we would all get very good racing which we are not geting at club leval at the momrnt unless you have a laser or ff (at my club dont know about others) but then when we traval to an open or nats yer geting the samee numbers than we get in a club race of laser at grafham and we would not get people like topper constanly desinging new boats that are a load of rubish we have had the xeon thing topaze there new vibe thing is comeing along what is the pont (not my falt theres bad spelling) now comment dont slate me for saying it thow |
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