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    Posted: 01 Feb 06 at 9:31pm

I saw the 29er XX at the Hoo Freezer.  Seemed like a good option for a couple of lightwieghts who want to sail a high performance boat.  I'd like to reserve my judgement but my first impressions are that the rig is not very tall and it might not be a great performer in the light stuff - but then what high performance boats are?  By the way they don't have racks - it looks just like the standard 29er hull.  Somebody said they're polyester I thought they were epoxy - does anybody know for sure?

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I think the 49er is open, and so is the Tornado (correct me if I am wrong), so if women wanted to they could sail them (if they could win selection against male opposition).

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Originally posted by Prince Buster

   The men have got the laser, 470, and 49er whereas the women have only got the europe and 470 so i think they want a more high performance olympic boat.

Have you been in a Coma since the athens olympics?! The Radial is the womens singlehander now.

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(Quote) The 29er Hull does not have a problem taking the bigger rig
because 29ers could be much lighter but they made them heavier to
make them more durable and so they were racable for much
longer.(Quote)

Don't believe the hype! there made from polyester!

Still a great boat, had one of the first in the UK. Added that bit just in
case you lot got all anti all things heart shaped!
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I have sailed the 29er XX but when it still had the 59er main and the flatter kite when I was at the 29er Euros in Denmark. The 29er Hull does not have a problem taking the bigger rig because 29ers could be much lighter but they made them heavier to make them more durable and so they were racable for much longer.

I sailed one without the rakes, but it was really really nice to sail. It felt a little odd since i have been sailing 29ers for 2 years. Upwind it feels really smooth but slightly underpowered but we were sailing it with the flatter main and we were 142kg. Once your both flat lining then the boat goes very quick we were only comparing it to 49ers but it wasnt far off there pace at all. Downwind the kite was a little to flat but the boat certainly when quick, we were match 49er speeds but just not going as low as them.

Quite a few of us sailed it and we all thought that the optimum weight must be around 125-135kg but as soon as people of different weights start sailing it we will not know.

I think it will take off as the are alot of girls that want to sail 49ers in the Olympics but arnt big enough, and even if its not an Olympic boat it will still take off as an easy progression from 29ers. It will be interesting to see what its like compared with the RS800.

I would sail one but then whats the point when I could get a 49er lol

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

I guess it keeps cost down though, but it's not what you expect from a Bethwaite boat.


Dunno about that. The 29er is very cheap for what it is due to some brilliant production engineering, and a 49er costs a fraction of what an 18 does, which was previously the only monohull capable of that level of performance.

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i want 1 (wen i get enough money).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chew my RS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 06 at 4:52pm

Yeah, m_liddell.  I think you mean me Buster. I meant that the concept was similar to a Spice and I suspect it will be about as rare.

When you look at the Nationals attatendance tables it is surprising how unpopular the boats that receive all the media attention actually are. Boats with asymmetrics still have smaller turnouts that conventional spinnaker boats. Boats with a single trapeze do not feature well. Boats with twin trapezes do even worse. If the XX doesn't get Olympic selection it will die - who's going to want one? Only some existing 29er sailors. If it does get picked for the Olympics, it will limit sales to aspiring Olympians, so that's about 3 boats in the UK. I can't really get excited about it.

JimC makes some good points - I guess it keeps cost down though, but it's not what you expect from a Bethwaite boat.

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I think that the XX is much more designed as a women's olympic boat as opposed to just another class to steal Cherub sailors and any other twin-wire skiff.  The men have got the laser, 470, and 49er whereas the women have only got the europe and 470 so i think they want a more high performance olympic boat. Also, why isn't there a women's catamaran??  And also...m_liddel i don't think the XX is anything like the lame topper twin-wire funboat and having seen one racing at my club last week it seems a lot faster!  And, mike ellis you can't go far on this forum without the Cherub Crew descending on you like a ton of bricks the moment you mention anything against cherubs.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 06 at 4:07pm
i didnt mean 2 start a hole rebelion against anything with 2wires that isnt a cherub!!!! i was just asking if a 29er xx would be a better option for people on the heavy side of 29er sailors. btw, wot is the weight range sposed 2 b?
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