And the bigger rig is all carbon too.

Racks are only wheelie bars going out the back not making it wider

I read wheely bars bolted to the gunwhale where the fruitloops go...

Holy moly

you cherub folks need a reality check , the cherub is a niche boat catering for a niche  sailor , its hardly comparable  to a one design developement of an excellent boat (for its purpose) and I'm sure the Cherub satisfies it's market, as will the 29erxx , just a bigger market.

The 29er xx will sell like hotcakes on the back of the massive interest in 29er sailing sweeping europe .give it a couple of years when 2nd hand boats filter through though.

I severely doubt sales will  impact on Cherub sales as your potential 29er xx sailor wouldn't want a cherub , and vice versa .

Similar too int 14's and 49ers praps , though I have heard of 49ers transferring to 14's

To silent fellow  mortals amongst us on the planet you could be forgiven for thinking the whole world sails Cherubs when reading this forum, rather the few that do like to ram it down tothers throats , there's promoting your class and overegging it .

well its 12foot and twin trpaze so i think its most like a cherub

You have clearly never sailed a 29er!

I can't wait to have a go in the xx, it looks like the boat the 29er should have been. I think I'm on the heavy side for it though and could never afford one

I have sailed the 29er XX but when it still had the 59er main and the flatter kite when I was at the 29er Euros in Denmark. The 29er Hull does not have a problem taking the bigger rig because 29ers could be much lighter but they made them heavier to make them more durable and so they were racable for much longer.

I sailed one without the rakes, but it was really really nice to sail. It felt a little odd since i have been sailing 29ers for 2 years. Upwind it feels really smooth but slightly underpowered but we were sailing it with the flatter main and we were 142kg. Once your both flat lining then the boat goes very quick we were only comparing it to 49ers but it wasnt far off there pace at all. Downwind the kite was a little to flat but the boat certainly when quick, we were match 49er speeds but just not going as low as them.

Quite a few of us sailed it and we all thought that the optimum weight must be around 125-135kg but as soon as people of different weights start sailing it we will not know.

I think it will take off as the are alot of girls that want to sail 49ers in the Olympics but arnt big enough, and even if its not an Olympic boat it will still take off as an easy progression from 29ers. It will be interesting to see what its like compared with the RS800.

I would sail one but then whats the point when I could get a 49er lol

Have you been in a Coma since the athens olympics?! The Radial is the womens singlehander now.

I think the 49er is open, and so is the Tornado (correct me if I am wrong), so if women wanted to they could sail them (if they could win selection against male opposition).

I saw the 29er XX at the Hoo Freezer.  Seemed like a good option for a couple of lightwieghts who want to sail a high performance boat.  I'd like to reserve my judgement but my first impressions are that the rig is not very tall and it might not be a great performer in the light stuff - but then what high performance boats are?  By the way they don't have racks - it looks just like the standard 29er hull.  Somebody said they're polyester I thought they were epoxy - does anybody know for sure?

have the xx's got their own suit of sails instead of the 59er suit now? i thought 29ers r glass fibre or i there lots of different types of glass fibre?  oh well im am goin 2 fuind myself a heavyier crew then get 1 where the money will come from is a mystery.

Originally posted by Prince Buster and others I think that the XX is much more designed as a women's olympic boat as opposed to just another class to steal Cherub sailors and any other twin-wire skiff.  -----------  And, mike ellis you can't go far on this forum without the Cherub Crew descending on you like a ton of bricks the moment you mention anything against cherubs.

The notion that the XX is designed to steal Cherub Sailors is ridiculous. A business plan based on that proposition would be laughable  - after all even if 50% of active UK Cherub sailors converted that would barely sell enough XXs to keep Mr Bethwaite in Sunglasses for a year!

So don't worry guys - its not you they're 'after' so you can safely keep on sailing your quirky, radical, fun and fast little rocket ships (and posting with your sometimes annoying enthusiasm) for ever more.

How big are the sails on the 29er XX?

Rick

I believe the rig is similiar to the 59er is size. Below is the report of the San Fran test:

Conditions, started out at 8-10 knt wind and 4 knt Flood tide, built to 20-22 knt with a 2-3 knt ebb tide at the end of the day, Flood and wind in same direction.

The following are all quote within 20 mins of them getting off the water, they are all quotes, except words in [ ] which I have done to give sense.

Boys went out first, then the girls and the boys sailed it home, boat was out from 11ish to 2ish.

GM= Graham Beilh, came 2nd in the US 470 Trials for Athens (has sailed 18teens)

SM= Stuart McNay, came 3rd in the US 470 Trials and is a All American (has sail a 49er)

JM = Jennifer Morgan, came 3rd in the US women's 470 Trials and is also a All American

MM = Mallory McCollum crew for the USA female team at 2002 Youth Worlds (4th place), top female skipper in 2004 US Nationals, and 3rd place in 2005 US Nationals.

All 4 are obviously American and are sailing in the 29er Worlds, GM & SM (Skipper) are sailing together and just out of the Gold Fleet, JM (Skipper) is sailing with a male and has place 2nd and 3rd in heats, she will most likely make the Gold Fleet, I think MM (Crew) will also make the Gold Fleet. All are early 20s in age.

Out of Interest we clocked the Danish team during a heat of the 29er Worlds, who where about 10th at the time doing 23knts through the water, with Janet Baxter on-board our chase boat, I didn't know they went that fast either, its wild stuff and the girls are doing well. 29erXX went up-wind in 14-16 of wind at about 11-12 knts boatspeed, fastest down wind was 19 knts when I was on-board, it got fresher after that but I was on shore.

GB => boat was more consistently powered up, great

SN => significantly more powered up-wind, more balanced [than a 29er] & more responsive. Downwind, a bit trickier [than 29er] Can't seem to get far enough aft, incredibly fast especially in 7-8 knts perfect for crews up to 300lbs (136kgs)

GB => Really fast [downwind], spin loads are light, similar to 29er, just awesome.

SN => So much better upwind [than anything else] This is the future of sailing

GM => honestly, I think its really cool that two girls like Mallory and me can sail a boat like that, [ then commented about weight and they are 275-280 lbs (125-128kgs)] That was really fun, we are going to scheme and get 3-4 of them [29erXX rigs], how soon can we have them?

The boat felt really good, expected it to feel small but it was not at all, maybe racks aft would be nice, and very happy about boom height, especially aft.

MM => Awesome, I want one, we are going to rip it out there on the Bay [San Fran] First few moves where a bit sketchy but then it was awesome!

GM => 470 was fun & really good to learn in, then the 29er is faster & more fun & you learn so much more. Now this [29erXX] is the next step forward!

For you information,

There is now this rig in San Francisco, that rig is expected to be used over the next 3-4 weeks again in San Fran and also in Montreal and Toronto where there is a line up of kids wanting to try it out.

The is also a second rig presently en-route to the UK, likely to get there on Monday (11th July) and the intention is that they will trial that rig across UK and Europe also.

To convert a 29er to a 29erXX you need.

1 x new mast which is all Carbon and very light but proven to date to be very robust.
1 x new mainsail
1 x new jib
1 x new spinnaker
1 x new ram van strut

You need to rig a 2nd set of Trapeze wire returns which are mounted on the floor rails If you have not already you need twin tiller extensions and you may wish to rig 4:1 jib sheet and extend you main-sheet hawse.

And thats it.

Only suggested mods to the rig you are seeing in the pics is possibly cut 15-20mm of the bottom of the mast, leave the fore-stay the same length and therefore drop the mast back into the boat (more rake) and drop the boom angle (Jenifer won't be happy) and the possible addition of struts or racks, these would be bolted under the gunwhale, where the existing foot loop is and extend it back to the line of the transom, we are thinking about 32mm dia carbon tube, with 1-2 extra foot loops, not sure its needed but both Jen and Stuart commented so why not give it a try.

Interesting ... what is an "All American" ??

well this a wild guess but i reckon it means she is an ammerican.    but i guess if u arnt an all ammerican u must be a abit american?

If you are in college in the USA and involved in sports (It Definatly happens in Gridiron football, and most probably all sports.) there is a dream team named at the end of the season comprising the best at position over the whole season. The best in all America in fact. Hence All American.

I don't know how the team is comprised or who selects it you have to be very good to be named to it.