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    Posted: 01 Feb 06 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by m_liddell

it looks like the boat the 29er should have been.


the 29er is exactly the boat it should be - the best new class of the last thirty years in my opinion. Whether it would have been better to use a purpose designed hull for the two string version is an interesting question - you could certainly argue that a shape that's a bit more tolerant to heel could be good in a two string boat. You could also argue that if the 29er construction is right for the 29er it might be a bit underspecced for the bigger rigged boat. Personally I would at least use different layups. But on the marketing side Bethwaite has been seen to be very enthused by the Laser/Radial/4.7 marketing advantages and that might have been a factor.
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

Sounds like a Spice to me...

You have clearly never sailed a 29er!

I can't wait to have a go in the xx, it looks like the boat the 29er should have been. I think I'm on the heavy side for it though and could never afford one

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The report of Sailboat 2002 on the Cherub web site says
Rather more than rumour has it that the next Bethwaite boat is likely to hit a slot between the 29er and the 49er... A Bethwaite Design singlehander seems to be a bit less likely in the near future from what I gather though.

so the arrival of the 29erXX is a bit less than a suprise.


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"The UK Cherub sounds like an '80s R Class to me!

Do you not think that some classes can give some existing classes some
room to breath? Or do we have to break down doors for them to make a
load of "new" boats that are just like the boats we have been making for years?"

By the way, for how many years have there been twin-wire Cherubs? If the 29erXX is in trouble for "copying" the UK Cherub (although IIRC the project was happening before UK Cherubs went twin-wire anway - can anyone confirm??) can't the UK Cherub also be in trouble for copying other twin-wire 12 footers like 12' Skiffs and Rs?

Let's face it, any dinghy with lightweight hull, hiking devices, fully battened rigs, hollow masts, international competition, self draining cockpit, clam cleats, spinnaker etc is just copying what the Canoes did in the 1800s......

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Apologies for having an opinion, I shall refrain from posting in future.


Originally posted by far canal

Holy molly


you cherub folks need a reality check , the cherub is a niche boat
catering for a niche  sailor , its hardly comparable  to a one design
developement of an excellent boat (for its purpose) and I'm sure the
Cherub satisfies it's market, as will the 29erxx , just a bigger market.


The 29er xx will sell like hotcakes on the back of the massive interest
in 29er sailing sweeping europe .give it a couple of years when 2nd hand
boats filter through though.


I severely doubt sales will  impact on Cherub sales as your potential
29er xx sailor wouldn't want a cherub , and vice versa .


Similar too int 14's and 49ers praps , though I have heard of 49ers
transferring to 14's


To silent fellow  mortals amongst us on the planet you could be
forgiven for thinking the whole world sails Cherubs when reading this
forum, rather the few that do like to ram it down tothers throats , there's
promoting your class and overegging it .



 


 
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According to the Ovington website the 29er is 4.24 metres which is about 14 foot..
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well its 12foot and twin trpaze so i think its most like a cherub

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Holy moly

you cherub folks need a reality check , the cherub is a niche boat catering for a niche  sailor , its hardly comparable  to a one design developement of an excellent boat (for its purpose) and I'm sure the Cherub satisfies it's market, as will the 29erxx , just a bigger market.

The 29er xx will sell like hotcakes on the back of the massive interest in 29er sailing sweeping europe .give it a couple of years when 2nd hand boats filter through though.

I severely doubt sales will  impact on Cherub sales as your potential 29er xx sailor wouldn't want a cherub , and vice versa .

Similar too int 14's and 49ers praps , though I have heard of 49ers transferring to 14's

To silent fellow  mortals amongst us on the planet you could be forgiven for thinking the whole world sails Cherubs when reading this forum, rather the few that do like to ram it down tothers throats , there's promoting your class and overegging it .

 

 



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The 29erXX is now a true training ground for a 49er, a single wire boat was never going to give you the skills to make that leap. I think the weight range is very small, so it is primarly designed at youth or two girls. I'm sure the Cherub will not suffer as a result. I also don't see Ovingtons as a cash greedy machine, but as company built upon one mans enjoyment of a sport he loved.
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Sounds like a UK Cherub to me!

Do you not think that maunfactures can give some smaller classes some
room to breath? Or do we have to break down doors for them to make a
load of cash?
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