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    Posted: 30 Jan 06 at 11:02pm
Originally posted by Xpletive

Horses for courses. Breakages which occur while racing with rescue cover are one thing - but while recreational sailing in a busy coastal area, it tends to make you focus on confidence in build!  I'm afraid I can't help being suspicious about a weight difference of 30kg between the L3000 and the V3000!

Careful building in epoxy / woven cloth can more than explain a 30kg saving over a boat mass-produced by a work-experience lad armed with a chopped strand/polyester gun!

And light weight is the best way to go faster - lighter loads, more speed, easier sailing.
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yer well the buzz has bigger sails than the 4k but a buzz wouldnt even touch a 4k.  it is more about how they all come together to make the boat.

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Originally posted by carshalton fc

  it isnt just the size of the sails it is the hull shape and the design of the sails etc. 

Have to agree here. if you take the buzz for example, pretty bad hull shape really and a spinni of 17.40 sq.m. compared to the 29er 15sq.m and even with the bigger sails is still a lot slower. 
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Originally posted by Xpletive

The 500 is going to have to be very heavy not to be a close boat to the 29er and may still be upright when the 29er is not..............

Depends who's sailing it!  But seriously 29ers are not as hard to sail as everyone thinks. The 500 looks very similar in hull shape and sail area so I dont think it will be much 'easier' to sail.
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i doubt the 500 will even touch a 29er.  not that i would like to say it but the 29er has a similar speed to a 4k. and i dont think a 500 will be catching us.  it isnt just the size of the sails it is the hull shape and the design of the sails etc. 
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Respective manufacturer's figures:-

29er main+jib   = 12.5sq.m., spinny = 15sq.m.   fitted hull wt = 70 kg

rs500 main+jib = 13.1sq.m., spinny = 14.8sq.m. fitted hull wt = ? (closer to 70kg than 80kg, I reckon)

The 500 is going to have to be very heavy not to be a close boat to the 29er and may still be upright when the 29er is not..............
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the latter :D
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Is the 29er 12.5 + 15 or 13.4 + 17 though...if you look in different places you get a different answer!
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Interesting comparing sail areas (I know it's not the only thing to worry about) but........

                         VAGO        29er          500

Main+ Jib         12         &nbs p;     12.5            13.1

Assy         &n bsp;     13                15        &nbs p;      14.8

Total         & nbsp;     25         &nbs p;      27.5              27.9



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Horses for courses.



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