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    Posted: 28 Jan 06 at 2:58pm
Something like a Topaz that is mostly a sunsail boat and is generally poorly sailed would make a good handicap boat.  But then you don't get much fun out of it.  An oppie is probably a great handicap boat (if you make it round the course before the sun goes down! )
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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Easy peasy.  Learn to sail a MPS properly and then you are quids in.  As the boat is so difficult to sail, the average spash factor is high.  Thus the Handicap reflects this as the handicap is based on the actual results of the people who sail it, not the potential spped of the boats.

This also means that a fair % of the time is just keeping the stick above the plate and so someone who knows how to sail the boat really well and so makes many less mistakes will sail well above the handicap (that is derived from the average sailor).

This IMO also shows why the laser rarely does well in handicap event as there are many people sailing it and so the handicap has been driven down to the level where the boat is sailing to it's theoretical limit (well nearly, not may olly sailors do handicap events)

True but not always of course, in light winds the handicap is hard to hold - if you look at the classes that have won the most winter classics over the years it has to be the Fireball.

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Originally posted by Ian29937

 The only way I can imagine you could beat the system is to either sail a boat which never competes in handicap races and as a result hasn't got a statistically valid handicap or get your self a boat where development has improved speed but the rating hasn't caught up, I14, N12, Cherub, Moth etc

Or choose a class where the handicap is based on the performance of some mediocre sailors. Were such a class to exist, of course.
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Easy peasy.  Learn to sail a MPS properly and then you are quids in.  As the boat is so difficult to sail, the average spash factor is high.  Thus the Handicap reflects this as the handicap is based on the actual results of the people who sail it, not the potential spped of the boats.

This also means that a fair % of the time is just keeping the stick above the plate and so someone who knows how to sail the boat really well and so makes many less mistakes will sail well above the handicap (that is derived from the average sailor).

This IMO also shows why the laser rarely does well in handicap event as there are many people sailing it and so the handicap has been driven down to the level where the boat is sailing to it's theoretical limit (well nearly, not may olly sailors do handicap events)
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If it's to be sailed in a variety of conditions and venues, then all things should be equal as the ratings are based on statistical analysis of race results.  The only way I can imagine you could beat the system is to either sail a boat which never competes in handicap races and as a result hasn't got a statistically valid handicap or get your self a boat where development has improved speed but the rating hasn't caught up, I14, N12, Cherub, Moth etc

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Depends on the conditions and size of pond/sea etc. On a pond a Phantom is hard to beat in light/medium stuff. Fireballs seem to do well on bigger waters.
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On the basis that we all like to win, what boat should we buy to give ourselves the best chance in handicap races? Assume it will be sailed in a wide variety of conditions.

 
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