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    Posted: 27 Jan 06 at 4:55pm

Originally posted by Adds

I do not see why manufacturers can't show their numbers, unless certain clients don't want their names out there.

You are missing the point completely. It's not a case of "can't". Read Rick's last post.
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I agree Rick I think this an interesting topic that should be discussed.
I suppose Stefan has no proof.
I do not see why manufacturers can't show their numbers, unless certain clients don't want their names out there.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Thank you Rick but with respect, I'll make my own decisions on what to say and what not to. I am not going to kiss and tell on this one. Conclude what you like.

Fair enough, this is an issue that interests me as generally people use sail numbers as a measure of boats built and this was a fair assumption when a 3rd party such as the RYA used to issue certificates. With SMOD's that have no certificates we have no idea of the real numbers of boats out their.

IF some manufactures do this I personally think that it's a double edged sword;

If you pad the numbers it looks like you have sold loads but then it also looks like no-one goes to events as only the real boats can turn up ...

I suspect someone with eagle eyes who trawlled through open and club results could pretty soon point the finger as I am sure there cant be that many boats that never club race ...

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

I don't think a concept N12 would be anything like a Tiger Moth.... just a
bit more like this ( lets hope the link works!)


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Thank you Rick but with respect, I'll make my own decisions on what to say and what not to. I am not going to kiss and tell on this one. Conclude what you like.
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If your are stating facts then you have no problem ...

PM if you like ...

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Oh yes. Am I going to tell all on a public forum? Oh no.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Did they actually make those 24 boats though?


Rotten 'ell Stefan, there's a limit to how much digging I'm prepared to do.

The fact that many classes and manufacturers skip sail numbers is very well known.

Stefan; do you have any specifics on this as last time I raised this I was told I was wrong ...

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Did they actually make those 24 boats though?


Rotten 'ell Stefan, there's a limit to how much digging I'm prepared to do.

I have never, at any point, asked you to do a thing! I'm just pointing out the flaws in your methodology. The fact that many classes and manufacturers skip sail numbers is very well known. I wouldn't call it an "accusation"; there is no law against it.

 

 
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I don't think a concept N12 would be anything like a Tiger Moth.... just a
bit more like this ( lets hope the link works!)


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