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    Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 10:04am

GP14's are great to roll tack, yet they are heavy, have hard chines and wide, flat bottom sections and centre main sheeting (mostly).

Not quite as good as Ents though.

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Ents are amazing to watch in the light stuff when they roll tack. It seems if they try it in anything over a light breeze it turns in to a roll over tack though....then they do the titanic impression.......

We have a guy in a British Moth at our club, he always seems to struggle on the roll tacking, but given the size of the rig he just ghosts along nicely in the light stuff! Anything more than a F2 and he is toast though (he is quick in the fleet, has been Nat champ at least once and runner up several times).

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Originally posted by Bruce Starbuck

GP14's are great to roll tack, yet they are heavy, have hard chines and wide, flat bottom sections and centre main sheeting (mostly).

Not quite as good as Ents though.

Plenty of freeboard ...

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Seems folk aren't interested in posting the numbers, never mind save me some work.

The factors I would look at for "roll tackiness" would probably include waterplane area distribution (ie whether the boat is fatter in the middle than at the transom) rise of floor both in the midle and at the transom, how vertical the topsides are, rocker amount and distribution and so on.

for instance if you compare a Merlin with a modern Cherub, both are equally flat floored in the centre but the Merlin has more rocker, much less vertical topsides - thus more buoyancy further out when the boat is heeled, more rise of floor further out and the waterplane much more towards the middle of the boat. Some of those differences will be related to what's different in "roll tackiness" between them, some not...

Here's a very crude and stylised representtion of how differently the two sorts of shape float when heeled.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 5:06pm
Oh yeah... That applies to Contenders as well! I'm in dire need of any good, average or even shoddy tips, I'll try anything   Big smile
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take a hacksaw to your tiller extension. lol
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Could I just ask if there are any techniques out there for good tacking in boats with long tiller extensions... I'm still in the smooth as possible without capping-it category with the 600, is there any recognised 'good practice' techniques for tacking in boats like this?


http://www.superspars.com/RS600.html   
Its the inland champion talking about the way he tacks/gybes.  Not sure how much help it would be but im kind of doing my homework on them cos im getting mine next week .



 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 12:44am
I've little experience of the Contender but I remember that you have to go along way aft to tack the thing and the bum drags and the boat stops.  I'd rate it close to zero on the roll tacking scale.
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I can't say the 4000 is much good either.  Again you can't keep the weight forward enough and theres not much room for a roll with the racks dipping in the water and then there's those battens.  Quite honestly the best place is the bar if the wind is that light.
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Originally posted by Luke4485

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Laser 4k 5 
29ER    4 

u can roll the 4k quite abit more than the 29er this was proved when we went to the bloody mary and a 29er tryed roll gybeing and ended up swimming

i would of said

29er 2-3    4tonner 5-6

Hey - why are you picking on me . I gave the 4k a point more than the 29er -unlike Jim and Rick

And thanks Redback for agreeing that full battens are a factor.



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