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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Black no sugar ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 04 Location: Somewhere between Brighton and Lancing Online Status: Offline Posts: 3941 |
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Don't hold back, Presuming Ed. We'd love to know what you really think! Seriously, I thought it was the sort of bigger boat likely to be purchased by those who really, really enjoy sailing a Laser EPS. |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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I suppose these (vitriolic) comments are still valid if it has moveable water balast or multi trapezes are they? With the trapeze option it doesn't look too different from an Ultra 30 and I believe they were quite popular for a while and are certainly remembered fondly by those that sailed them. I suppose it doesn't look like a Skiff tho so it'll never get this forums approval Edited by Matt Jackson |
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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Because you can race one-design in both a Dart and a Contender, and Contenders plane. This thing gets it's speed from using multi-type thinking - using a long, narrow, low-wave-making hull. But then they blow it, because rather than just building a multi, they add lead and design draggy, high-windage, inefficient float/wing things. This thing is just a line honours w&*k machine - and not a very good one at that, because of the added lead and draggy wings. So when they go to the Swiss lakes, and get beaten by the Decision 35s, I guess they'll be happy because they'll have won the "line honours for multihulls with crap floats and added lead" prize. Woo hoo. Next time I'm going racing, I'm going to tie one hand behind my back so that I can say I've won the "first prize for those sailing with one hand tied behind my back." If you want to build a no-rules line honours w&*k machine, fine. But do it properly. People have known for a very long time that the fastest boats around the course are multihulls. To build a mono that's desperately trying not to be a tri is the action of someone who spends just a bit too long on his own looking at the mirrors stuck to his bedroom ceiling.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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The point is getting publicity for sponsors. If this were a just another small-ish tri, do you think we'd all be talking about it?
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Sumo ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 144 |
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They may have tested it in a tank, but when the wing goes in the water the drag will increase and that is ignoring what would happen in choppy seas, i.e. big surface area and turbulent flow! |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Those wings are nothing like the racks on a skiff... look at the tank
testing photos, they have obviously been designed with what happens
when they touch the water in mind.
![]() Besides, who cares whether it works when it looks as cool as this? Edit: looking at the launching photos it doesnt look like theres a large amount of lead on there either Edited by Isis |
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MikeBz ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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I'm with Sumo and Presuming Ed... Because of the wings it has to be sailed virtually flat, which means that very little righting moment is gained from the lead on the keel, so you're just dragging a dead weight around for nothing. All a bit puzzling really. Mike |
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Sumo ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 144 |
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Those wings are like the racks on a skiff, as soon as it heels and they touch the water the drag must be horrible. The earlier comment about the International Moth is spot on, but with the downside that the crew doesn't have the leverage to keep the thing flat! |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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So a Dart 15 is faster than a contender... lots of people still sail and love contenders and they are (nearly) the same length. This is repeated all over the sailing world, cats are intrinsicaly faster but why is speed on paper so important? if you want to go fast im sure easyjet are taking bookings, otherwise: sit down and shut up. |
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