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    Posted: 13 Jan 06 at 1:18pm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 06 at 1:16pm

Don't hold back, Presuming Ed. We'd love to know what you really think!

Seriously, I thought it was the sort of bigger boat likely to be purchased by those who really, really enjoy sailing a Laser EPS. 

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I suppose these (vitriolic) comments are still valid if it has moveable water balast or multi trapezes are they?

With the trapeze option it doesn't look too different from an Ultra 30 and I believe they were quite popular for a while and are certainly remembered fondly by those that sailed them. I suppose it doesn't look like a Skiff tho so it'll never get this forums approval .



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Originally posted by Isis

I bet any racing multi of the same length would be faster. So what's the point?


So a Dart 15 is faster than a contender... lots of people still sail and love contenders and they are (nearly) the same length. This is repeated all over the sailing world, cats are intrinsically faster but why is speed on paper so important? if you want to go fast I'm sure easyjet are taking bookings, otherwise: sit down and shut up.

Because you can race one-design in both a Dart and a Contender, and Contenders plane. This thing gets it's speed from using multi-type thinking - using a long, narrow, low-wave-making hull. But then they blow it, because rather than just building a multi, they add lead and design draggy, high-windage, inefficient float/wing things.

This thing is just a line honours w&*k machine - and not a very good one at that, because of the added lead and draggy wings. So when they go to the Swiss lakes, and get beaten by the Decision 35s, I guess they'll be happy because they'll have won the "line honours for multihulls with crap floats and added lead" prize. Woo hoo. Next time I'm going racing, I'm going to tie one hand behind my back so that I can say I've won the "first prize for those sailing with one hand tied behind my back."

If you want to build a no-rules line honours w&*k machine, fine. But do it properly. People have known for a very long time that the fastest boats around the course are multihulls. To build a mono that's desperately trying not to be a tri is the action of someone who spends just a bit too long on his own looking at the mirrors stuck to his bedroom ceiling.

 



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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

So what's the point?

The point is getting publicity for sponsors. If this were a just another small-ish tri, do you think we'd all be talking about it?

 

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Originally posted by Isis

Those wings are nothing like the racks on a skiff... look at the tank testing photos, they have obviously been designed with what happens when they touch the water in mind.




Besides, who cares whether it works when it looks as cool as this?


They may have tested it in a tank, but when the wing goes in the water the drag will increase and that is ignoring what would happen in choppy seas, i.e. big surface area and  turbulent flow!

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Those wings are nothing like the racks on a skiff... look at the tank testing photos, they have obviously been designed with what happens when they touch the water in mind.




Besides, who cares whether it works when it looks as cool as this?




Edit: looking at the launching photos it doesnt look like theres a large amount of lead on there either


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I'm with Sumo and Presuming Ed...  Because of the wings it has to be sailed virtually flat, which means that very little righting moment is gained from the lead on the keel, so you're just dragging a dead weight around for nothing.  All a bit puzzling really.

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Those wings are like the racks on a skiff, as soon as it heels and they touch the water the drag must be horrible. The earlier comment about the International Moth is spot on, but with the downside that the crew doesn't have the leverage to keep the thing flat!

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I bet any racing multi of the same length would be faster. So what's the point?


So a Dart 15 is faster than a contender... lots of people still sail and love contenders and they are (nearly) the same length. This is repeated all over the sailing world, cats are intrinsicaly faster but why is speed on paper so important? if you want to go fast im sure easyjet are taking bookings, otherwise: sit down and shut up.
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