Umm interesting

http://www.out95.com/galleries.html - http://www.out95.com/galleries.html

It is a little shocking. 

Wonder what its like in a blow.

thats cool

it lookes like it could do with some trapze to make awsome

Except that it's got a lump of lead stuck on the bottom...

I can't help feeling that once you've accepted the penalty of a lump of lead you'd be better off canting it to produce righting moment rather than just using the crew weight (or put the crew out on seriously wide racks). Some of the 'predicted' performance figures look decidedly optimistic for a fixed-keel-leadmine.  More than twice windspeed?

It looks more 'odd' than 'wow' to me.

Mike

no

but somthing diffrent is still good

somthing to add to the coleshon

If you can show me a picture of two identical Cherubs or 12ft skiffs then I will let your point stand. Otherwise it's complete b*locks.

Back on point though. The Out95 looks like it's got kick bars for trapezing!

I didn't say all skiffs are identical.

I think that pictures of skiffs are a bit dull (it's my opinion I'm afraid, so you have no say in letting it stand), pictures of anything else seem quite radical on this forum.

Yes there is trapezing and moveable water balast options. The trapezing sound the most fun!

What's the point?

They're saying long narrow hulls are fast. No s£$%. Really? Never knew that.

So, compared to a tri or a cat:

Heavier - all that lead. Less efficient shape - the drag from those wings must be huge compared to well designed floats. Can't fly the boat from just the wing, as you can fly from one hull/float on a cat or a tri - so less powerful - and in ultra light conditions when you're balanced on one hull, the lead is ripping the guts out of the acceleration.

However, I doubt very much that there is enough lead onboard to stop it turning over - the AVS must be horrific, as a result of the aircraft-carrier sized deck the force required to right it again from inverted must be huge. Why would you take the floats off a tri, and use lead for stability instead?

Obviously you can't take it offshore, so you're left with day racing against keelboats, blatting round the course faster but getting hammered on handicap. Well, whoopee-f$%^&-do, what a great thrill that would be. "Rounding the windward mark now, do we have an overlap to defend - uh no. The opposition are 10 mins behind. Unfortunately, after this much racing, we owe them all an hour"

I bet any racing multi of the same length would be faster. So what's the point?

Those wings are like the racks on a skiff, as soon as it heels and they touch the water the drag must be horrible. The earlier comment about the International Moth is spot on, but with the downside that the crew doesn't have the leverage to keep the thing flat!

I'm with Sumo and Presuming Ed...  Because of the wings it has to be sailed virtually flat, which means that very little righting moment is gained from the lead on the keel, so you're just dragging a dead weight around for nothing.  All a bit puzzling really.

Mike

Originally posted by Isis Those wings are nothing like the racks on a skiff... look at the tank testing photos, they have obviously been designed with what happens when they touch the water in mind. Besides, who cares whether it works when it looks as cool as this?

They may have tested it in a tank, but when the wing goes in the water the drag will increase and that is ignoring what would happen in choppy seas, i.e. big surface area and  turbulent flow!

The point is getting publicity for sponsors. If this were a just another small-ish tri, do you think we'd all be talking about it?

Because you can race one-design in both a Dart and a Contender, and Contenders plane. This thing gets it's speed from using multi-type thinking - using a long, narrow, low-wave-making hull. But then they blow it, because rather than just building a multi, they add lead and design draggy, high-windage, inefficient float/wing things.

This thing is just a line honours w&*k machine - and not a very good one at that, because of the added lead and draggy wings. So when they go to the Swiss lakes, and get beaten by the Decision 35s, I guess they'll be happy because they'll have won the "line honours for multihulls with crap floats and added lead" prize. Woo hoo. Next time I'm going racing, I'm going to tie one hand behind my back so that I can say I've won the "first prize for those sailing with one hand tied behind my back."

If you want to build a no-rules line honours w&*k machine, fine. But do it properly. People have known for a very long time that the fastest boats around the course are multihulls. To build a mono that's desperately trying not to be a tri is the action of someone who spends just a bit too long on his own looking at the mirrors stuck to his bedroom ceiling.

I suppose these (vitriolic) comments are still valid if it has moveable water balast or multi trapezes are they?

With the trapeze option it doesn't look too different from an Ultra 30 and I believe they were quite popular for a while and are certainly remembered fondly by those that sailed them. I suppose it doesn't look like a Skiff tho so it'll never get this forums approval .

Don't hold back, Presuming Ed. We'd love to know what you really think!

Seriously, I thought it was the sort of bigger boat likely to be purchased by those who really, really enjoy sailing a Laser EPS. 

Life's to short to go slow, stop this foolishness, speed is king!

Agreed Sumo.  Also I bet Ellen was just a little too busy to worry about if it was fun or not (However, having read her latest book, she did say she enjoyed some of it)

Hi all,

I thought you might like to see the press release on the boat. It explains a bit more about the design.

Cheers, Mark

The Out and Out Race Boat?

The 32 foot all-carbon OUT95 is an innovative high performance racing yacht. The OUT95’s futuristic looks are the first to catch the eye, but it’s her blistering performance that is going to make the biggest impact on the racecourse. Modern sportsboats transformed downwind sailing, the OUT95 makes these performance gains upwind and in light winds. Why limit yourself to half the fun?

Inspired by the Pacific Proa's ability to sail with only the Vaka (main hull) in the water in all but the very lightest winds, Neal Pawson penned an extremely narrow hull similar to that of a multihull combined with wide solid wings to give a large crew righting moment. The resulting winged wave-piercing monohull is designed to be fast in 'real time' and not rely on a favorable handicap to win.

Whilst being fastest with the wings flying clear of the waves, their high volume provides low drag reserve stability when in contact with the water. As well as making it simple and safe to sail the wings also provide a wide staying platform allowing a lighter rig and accommodation for four berths beneath a large uncluttered deck. Andrew Claughton (Design Head, ETNZ) completed the tank testing of the design at Southampton's Wolfson Unit in 2000, validating the design characteristics before construction was started.

The project includes a partnership of leading marine companies who are using the innovative OUT95 to push the barriers of technology and performance. Hardware is by Lewmar, rigging by Navtec, electronics by Silva, all held together by adhesives technology from Wessex Resins. Other project sponsors include clothing from Helly Hansen and CNC machining by The Cutting Room.

The OUT95 is specifically designed to compete in a wide variety of events worldwide. The result is a uniquely versatile and highly competitive racing machine incorporating a number of different sailing modes: water ballast for shorthanded sailing, five trapezes for fully crewed lake racing and a crewed conventional hiking IRC option.

Developed and built by Out and Out Solutions using pre-preg carbon on a Nomex core, Alex Ashworth Briggs, joint OOS director explained ‘Although we were striving for a lightweight product, we were also focussed on producing a boat that could easily be transported from event to event. This dictated a modular construction to allow the craft to be broken down into four components for ease of transport via trailer or container.' 'An extensive impact testing program also allowed us to optimise the hull and deck to provide a longevity not usual in such a lightweight structure.’

The OUT95 has a highly efficient carbon fiber rotating wing mast simply supported by shrouds and a single set of diamonds. The forestay is set back from the bow with a self-tacking headsail. The mainsail has a square cut top with full-length batterns and three reefs. There is the option of flying a code zero from the tip of the bow or a masthead asymmetric off a sprit. A lead bulb on a carbon fin keeps the boat upright on the mooring and prevents capsize when the crew gets it badly wrong!

There was an out95 mored on the pontoon outside our sailing club last night.  Was wandering if i could have a go with my mate

I sail from warsash sailing club and its on the pontoon in the hamble river.