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    Posted: 12 Jan 06 at 12:36pm

Still unsure though, I have an open offer of a go in an RS300 and I am going to try and get to Burghfield for a go in the demo boat (this weekend looks a bit too exciting for trying a boat though).

Paul - Well come along anyway, you might still be tempted on the water if it's near the bottom of the projected range and still a get a good insight if it does look prudent to watch from the balcony.  Its one of the '6-Pack' series days for Blazes and with a reasonable wind forecast we should get a good few out.  There is still a good 300 at Burghfield so you should be able to judge both - maybe even try both.  There are also a few goodish Phantoms likely.   Most recent forecasts suggest an aaverage 12-15mph and relatively warm.  We might even be able to tempt Mr Foxwell over from the Medway like last year - come on Ian, I don't think anyone is faster offwind in some conditions - but you might be a little more hard pressed upwind :-) on Sunday.  Dave Hewlett is threatening to get some more video footage so you can have your '15 minutes' if you want.  First race 11.00 - see you all there.

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how good is the blase fleet how meany boats do you get out at opens

they look good fun to sail but when it gets breasy you go very fast but not much gos rong looking at the photos

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Nationals attendance looks good for both classes. For me it is going to be a question of which one I like more when I see them.

The RS has the attraction of speed and an unstayed mast (lots of deep by the lee a la Laser)

The Blaze has the attraction that it is easier to sail and will not be stupidly faster than anything else at my local club. I am wondering if there are other heavier Laser people at my club who may be tempted and follow my lead.....

Still doesn't make the choice any easier....

I think a road trip is in order....but the good lady has vetoed this weekend :-S
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i must admit it is a hard one i think it come down to your own style of sailing

id think id have to sail them both first

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5420 said ..... they look good fun to sail but when it gets breasy you go very fast but not much gos rong looking at the photos

It's all relative but don't underestimate the technique required to get around and race at high speed on a 2.48m wide winged boat in fast moving 'wind angainst tide' - stability is different things to different people -  so have a look at the video links on www.blaze-sailing.org.uk - There are some on the bottom left hand side of the home page and another group that can be seen towards the bottom of the 'for sale' section.  Dave Hewett made a very reasonable video and these are all lower resolution extracts. 

It's fun but you always have to discover for yourself what suits you and your approach by 'doing' not talking.  Try them all - discount most of the banter here and then go for the one you like.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ifoxwell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 06 at 4:34pm

Exactly

Its stable enough that you can stand up before the start looking for the wind, marks etc, or just to stretch your legs. But then try role tacking efficiently in the light winds with those racks or jibing inside another boat in the strong stuff with all that distance to cover… it can all get very hard work / wet if your not on your toes.

The beauty is that if your not sure you don't have to roll that hard and you can always steer clear of the opposition and jib when its suits you if that's what you want.

The trouble with the scary boats is that they are always scary. Get something that's inherently tame but bites if you screw up and then even the bad days can be fun

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Incitatus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 06 at 11:03am

Actually the Blaze rolls OK - just keep the rack out the water.  

Don't kid yourself about nothing going wrong in a Blaze in a blow It can do and will do. However you'll find the exception you remember is when it goes wrong - in other twitchier boats the exception you remember is when it goes right.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pabs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 06 at 11:33am

Sounds like the blaze is only fun when it blows. If I was you I would send Steve Cockrall an email at rooster he will be able to give you a none biased view. I spoke to him before I bought my 300 with regards to this subject and I took his advice. It’s the best boat I have ever sailed and there is no other that comes close. There is a learning curve but it is very rewarding. I have tried a phantom and I am far too light for one at 11 stone and there is no way I could keep up with the current arms race. The 300 fleet is by far the friendliest I have ever raced in I was one of the youngest at the nationals this year at 25 so I would not agree that it is a youth boat. If you look on www.rs300.com there is a survey showing the broad range that sails them.

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Best to keep it quiet.

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Originally posted by Pabs

Sounds like the blaze is only fun when it blows. 

Not at all - its more fun when  the winds up.  I found the Rs300  was no fun when overpowered but if you want to be a real high wind specialist try a Hobie. Blows both away. However,  as someone else posted - what do you want to do in a race - fight your boat or fight other boats.  FYI the speed difference is really only relevant in light winds when the 300 scoots away. In a blow they do about the same.

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