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    Posted: 22 Nov 04 at 7:47pm
Originally posted by *GM*

Continuing on the cat front - Taipan 4.9?  This can be sailed singlehanded with the main only or doublehanded with jib - and either way with a spinnaker as well.  And there is already a fleet of 20 plus boats in Singapore...

http://www.prosail-asia.com/Boats/Taipan.html

 

Very good point.  Forget the Tiapan's are out there.

 

Given the age of the little one, you might even sail without the jib (but with the Kid) and take the lower rating ?

 
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Not again!! The cat sailors have taken over not listening to the ooriginal question of which SKIFF!!! Dont get me wrong thoughm i sell myself into slavery for a decent cat!!!
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I'm a fan of the Laser4000.  Its not expensive, there are plenty of great open events, they're a friendly bunch and the hull is strong (so and old one is as fast as a new one).  They are not so extreme that you can't go out in a blow - in fact they love it.  They have a weight equalisation system so that light or heavy crews can race on equal terms.

What are its disadvantages?  Its heavy and difficult to sail up to its handicap unless you've got big courses.  The sails are expensive.  Its very tippy and turns turtle very fast. 

Its a big fast boat and requires a certain amount of strength and weight but rewards it with fantastic upwind speed in wind and waves.  Its no slouch downwind too - definitely leaves you with a big broad grin at the end of the day.
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Skiff enthusiast as I am, I have to side with the cat guys on this one something like a Taipan or a Dart 15 would be far better at leat for the first season or two.  Will get your son used to the speed/spray/competition and will be less likely to capsize and be more comfortable.  Also you will not feel out of place in the fleet, I did the 29er nationals agerd 20 and there were only three people in the fleet older than me, and we were all at the back.  29er is a great little boat, I loved sailing it, but in all honestly you will apreciate it more once you have honed some skills elsewhere.  If you do really want a monohull then your best bet is definately the RS200, the fleet is going through something of a resurgence at the moment, second hand boats are reasonably priced and the competition and sailing will teach you everything you will need to start with the 29er. 
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I know the Taipan is in theory the ideal solution - and I know Alice and Scott at Pro-sail asia because we all sail at the same club.  The downside is they cost a fortune.  There is also a move to try and develop a skiff fleet at the club to re-vitalise the dinghy scene.  At present we have a good fleet of Oppies and Bytes, but as soon as the kids leave school, they disappear from the club because there is no fleet for them to move into...Anyway - thanks for the tips folks, we'll wait and see where we go from here.
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By the way, has anyone actually sailed a 59er or have any idea how well they have taken off??
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I've not sailed one, but I wonder if they'd really qualify as a skiff.  I can't see that they'd have enough righting moment to plane upwind except in exceptional circumstances.
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can i say people have this thing that cats are expensive

look at the price of used hurricane 5.9's they are as cheap if not cheaper than alot of good dinghys!!!

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I am sure used Hurricanes are cheap in the UK. 

In Singapore a used Taipan still costs a fortune.  And the definition of a fortune is at least 50% more than my budget!
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i would agree with the buzz comment. i sailed one for a few years, and it essentially taught me how to sail properly. it is stable enough, and though it won't plane upwind it goes pretty quick downwind in a blow. definately an option worth looking at.
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