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    Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 12:49am
I'm not a sailor of any of these boats but the idea of a combined event for the 3 sounds like a great idea.  Let's face it - get a couple of shifts right and it makes more of a difference than their descrepancies in PY.  Then of course there are those occasions when each is favoured by the weather, it could be an interesting event.  Perhaps you should include the EPS as well, which I have enjoyed on a couple of occasions.
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Having been involved as a competitor Fastsail works very well. There are quite big differences in PY between the fastest and slowest boats but once the Handicap gets applied it all seems to go right. The Fireballs have won the team event for 3 years on the trot (but the 505's got quite close this year).

You could include more than the suggested classes. The idea behind Fastsail was to prove that the so called 'unfashionable' symmetric boats were actually alive and kicking and to my mind it has done that (well done to Cath and Mike for all of their hard work a dedication in getting it off the ground).

Mike...just so you know I have my eye on a couple of Blazes so I may try and get down to Burghfield for a test sail soon.

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Like the Holt Tide Ride where the MPS & RS700 were raced togther?
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Originally posted by dics

Like the Holt Tide Ride where the MPS & RS700 were raced togther?


It is like that but there is so much more that goes on in the background. Fastsail are trying to set up regional events, shared open meetings and the like. It is also a good social occasion to meet people who sail similar classes to your own, a gathering of like minded people. I seriously enjoyed it and if I can I will try and get a ride there this year (circumstances permitting).
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Originally posted by jeffers

 
It is like that but there is so much more that goes on in the background. Fastsail are trying to set up regional events, shared open meetings and the like. It is also a good social occasion to meet people who sail similar classes to your own, a gathering of like minded people. I seriously enjoyed it and if I can I will try and get a ride there this year (circumstances permitting).

 

The Blazes will be using the Scottish Single Handed event at Lochaber ( Fort William - Scotland - about half way up - on the left ) as a Travellers event within the SSH event.  Everything from Toppers to Contenders and  none of us gets to blame the crew.

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Paul,

On the 300 chat group Kevan at Milton Keynes said you should give him a call -

Kevan Ball - kpb_uk01@yahoo.co.uk or 078 1742 1720

Milton Keynes have an open this weekend so if you get yourself down there I'm sure a few of the 300 sailors would be delighted to have a chat with you and get a test sail sorted out. Details are:

MKSC Icicle Open
Pursuit Sunday 15th Jan. 2 hour race, briefing at
11:30, first boat away at 12:00, Entry fee is £4.00
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Thanks dics, I will either call him or mail him.
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Mike
 
1st in response to your own reply about the Blaze. The comment about slower helms was not meant to disrespect the boat or the people who sail her, the point I was trying to put across, you yourself put so well in your own words and I quote you "tight racing in a wide range of conditions because more people can extract the available performance more of the time". In the past (and I'm sure they will now disagree ) The RS300 sailors in 20mph+ ended up as 15-25 sailors battling the conditions & the boat, apposed to 15-25 sailors battling each other. It just happened that someone was better than the others & therefore got to the line before the rest.
Its my belief and (I have sailed a Blaze more than once) that this isn't quite so true with the Blaze & therefore you are enjoying slightly closer class racing when its windy.
 
I'm glad that you agree that there is actually very little difference between all 3 boats (except possibly optimum crew weight) and would concur they are all actually pretty nice little boats, however each have conditions (or venues) that suit each best...
 
At this point I would like to add one other class into the area "The Finn" again a good all-rounder (as you found out at Grafham)
 
The Phantom class has already arranged an inter fleet competition against our mortal enemy (only kidding guys) the Finn class, to be held at the Steve Nicholson memorial event on Saturday January 28th @ Northampton &  the Tiger trophy held the following weekend 4/5 Feb @ Rutland. the question is would the Blazes & RS300's dare to put in another appearance.....Or  are you all to Chicken.......
 
I strongly believe that with the huge numbers of class now available on the market that the future of Dinghy sailing rests in groups of classes getting together with similar minded sailors getting together to sail similar courses. (just like fast sail with the symmetrical spinnakers).
 
A good example of this working well was a Abersoch dinghy week last July when Blazes, Phantoms Finns & RS300's sailed together off the same start lines along with some RS600's & a Contender or 2, each putting in a good performance when the conditions suited.
 
Another is the Steve Nicholson where competitors sail in 3 different fleets single handers, double handers & asymmetric
 
Anyone interested in single handed handicap racing opens could pm me to get a like minded group of individuals together.
 
Cheers
 
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Can I introduce the Supernova into the equation. The boat is a strict one design as far as the hull, rig, and foils, are concerned. It supports a crew weight somewhere between 60 and 90kg, so slighly less than the others mentioned. It will excell on more restricted waters as its much narrower than the above. It will also be easier to sail and much more readily manouverable than any oof the others. On restricted waters it would certainly give a any of the above a run for their money!



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I'm not sure that I agree with the above.  The supernova is not in the same league as the 300, Blaze or the Phantom.

I have raced supernovas in both my 300 and my phantom on restricted waters and the only time that they were even slighlty close was on the startline.

 
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