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Blobby 
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 Topic: Uninvented classesPosted: 18 Nov 04 at 12:29am |
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Merlin Rockets versus MRX syndrome???
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 19 Nov 04 at 3:12pm |
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Not really. Chris was talking about OD sub-fleets within a development fleet. An MRX is not a Merlin Rocket. It just looks a bit like one.
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Chris 249
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Posted: 19 Nov 04 at 11:51pm |
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Stefan, why won't the Merlins take the MRX on as a sub-fleet?? Maybe
not at big regattas, but TTs and such. They are pretty comparable in
performance aren't they? What is the problem from the MR point of view?
Wouldn't that perhaps allow both "real" MRs and MRXs to grow? It would take a bit of compromising on the class rules, but surely not a lot? I suppose the MRX class is pretty small so initially there wouldn't be a big gain, though. Down here in Oz, we have a pair of development classes that grew together in many ways. One, the NS 14, is like a lighter MR with no kite and a smaller (but very efficient) wing-masted rig. The other (MG 14) is an NS with smallish assy and trapeze. It's easy to move from one to the other. It's not directly comparable to the MR/MRX, but it's interesting to see how much strength those two classes gained from the fact that many years ago, they were wise enough to ensure that they were compatible. In a way, the MG and NS are almost a formula with a jib-and-main and kite-and-trap version, and it works well. |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 20 Nov 04 at 8:25am |
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The Merlin Rocket is thriving at the moment. There are more new boats being built than there have been for years. After a period of several years of tweaking the rig rules, they appear to be heading for a period of stability. Salcombe Merlin Week is consistently over-subscribed. Things are good. Why on earth would they go out of their way to help the MRX which was been developed and promoted as a Merlin replacement at one of the leading Merlin clubs? The MRX is not a Merlin. It has a smooth bottom. Merlins have clinker bottoms, even the GRP ones. If the MRX had been designed to conform to Merlin rules, it could have competed as a sub-class in Merlin events. But it wasn't - it was intended as a Merlin replacement. It doesn't seem to have caught on.
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Chris Noble
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Posted: 09 Dec 04 at 10:04pm |
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the idea of a "39er" may also catch on well in the youth squad area, as there is no current twin trap. youth training boat other than the cat. it may help even the great divide from the 420 to 470 route and put even more into skiff sailing especially as it would then lead to the 49er. Much like the topper leads to radial then standard, you could go from toppers, or i suppose 420's into the "39er" and then into the 49er. Dunno anyone else have a view along these lines?
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Javelin
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Posted: 10 Dec 04 at 12:25am |
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I’m not so sure Chris,
Back in the eighties I learnt how to windsurf, started on the big 3.7mt boards and worked my way up through the years to a 2.60 wave board, speed needles and the like. The issue was that suddenly my gear was only any good if it was blowing force four or above. If not I’d sit on the beach, gazing out to sea wishing I was sailing again. Which ultimately I did, and when I did I made sure that I bought a boat that I could sail in ALL conditions. I’ve watched the increasing number of skiff’s that don’t leave the boat park if there isn’t enough wind and sometimes when there is too much. After a while these people get out of the habit of coming down to the club to go sailing. The sport is rapidly turning into a macho exercise, if there is not enough wind it’s going to be boring so why bother. I like plenty of wind, as do most medium to heavy weight sailors, especially in our Javelin, but I also enjoy the challenge of tactical racing when its light. I worry that more skiffs could backfire in the years to come as we develop the go faster kids and lose the tactical all-rounders that have done so well in the past and are still winning today. |
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sailor girl
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Posted: 10 Dec 04 at 4:54pm |
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That is a fair point on one side, but then i still think the 39er sounds good for youths (only if it was RYA recognised youth boat though!) as there isn't a very large choice.
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Phil eltringham
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Posted: 10 Dec 04 at 5:13pm |
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The original 29er design was for a twin trapeeze mast head kite rig, essentially the same sail plan as is now on the 59er. Bethwaite has no immediate plans to 'fill the gap' (as far as I know) but I think that it would be hard to fit such a boat in the training scheme. By the time most kids have got the hang of the 29er they are very nearly old enough to jump straight into the 49er and many do without to much difficulty. Because of this trying to squeeze another class in the gap will be very hard to do, if nothing else because of the added expence for crews (parents). IMHO if would be far better if the RYA convinced laser/topper/ldc to build the 405 properly and get that running again, it is the right boat to start in before the 29er, it was just never managed properly as a class. (also if you want a small twin trapeze boat get an old topper spice, they should be quite cheap if you can find one) |
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laser ripper
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Posted: 12 Dec 04 at 9:44pm |
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Last year at London Boat show at excel I put the idea of a youth/junior
double trapeze skiff to Ovington and LDC, but they didn't seem to like the idea. They didn't seem to think that there was any market for it, which I'm sure there is. Anyone else had any ideas, cos to be honest I think the yout and junior system needs a good shake up. Nik |
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Posted: 12 Dec 04 at 10:24pm |
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A "youth/junior double trapeze skiff"? Bit like the Spice then? It didn't exactly sell in bucketloads though, did it?
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