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    Posted: 20 Dec 05 at 10:48pm

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Now back on topic..... I noticed the Swift Solo has an interesting single
string jib and main sail control!?


really? are there any diagrams?

Yeah, the two sheets are linked so one string pulls both in and out. I understand that this was tried in ICs very many years ago, but wasn't found desirable and dropped.

I'm not convinced about the idea, because if sheeting main and jib in and out in exact synch is the fast way to sail, why does no-one do it in two handers?

I have always found that sheeting the main and jib in at the same time IS fast. I believe this to be due to the small "pump" effect gained from sheeting in. It is faster to have both "pumps" at the same time, aswell as the jib forming a slot for the pump, yadda yadda. Especially effective in roll tacks when you can gfet nice big "pumps".
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Originally posted by Strawberry

I have always found that sheeting the main and jib in at the same time IS fast. I believe this to be due to the small "pump" effect gained from sheeting in. It is faster to have both "pumps" at the same time, aswell as the jib forming a slot for the pump, yadda yadda. Especially effective in roll tacks when you can gfet nice big "pumps".

In a 2 person boat I'd never constantly trim the jib except when you get seriously over powered.

It's the jib that you stear to and so if it's constantly being eased you'll lose height.

Tacking is of course a different matter.

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I also find it fast to spill wind from the jib rather than the main. But can still point as I have an appreciation of what the wind is doing, what my main is doing, and how my boat behaves. Can be fast to pinch slightly when ypur over-powered anyway.

Sorry, we digress.
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Not fast to pinch...just looses some power and speed therefore easier to keep flat and control...when you bear away, the rig powers up and gets hoonig again.
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Originally posted by Strawberry

I also find it fast to spill wind from the jib rather than the main. But can still point as I have an appreciation of what the wind is doing, what my main is doing, and how my boat behaves. Can be fast to pinch slightly when ypur over-powered anyway.

Sorry, we digress.

the only time it's even slightly fast to pinch is when the boats not pinching aren't pointing anywhere near u....as soon as you and the non-pinchin boats are pointing near the same...u will lose out masses!!!

my helm and I found that out @ our winter champs.....we are at the lighter end of the weight range in the kestrel....and it was gustin f5+....so we were pinchin to keep the boat flat...so losing speed but we were outpointing the other boats masses b4 we pinched...so we were still as fast as the heavy-weight boys in the fleet as even tho they had the power, and thus not pinching...we were still as fast bcos we were travelling less on the water! ....unless we just hav a much faster boat all round!

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You don't seem to have read my post.

Originally posted by Strawberry

Can be fast to pinch slightly when your over-powered.
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We find it quicker to foot off and play the mainsail a lot more. We only pinch to make ground on the start line or if we're trying to clear a mark. We used to pinch when we were over-powered sailing 5000s but found the boat sailed a lot quicker by sailing free and playing the mainsheet a lot more. The speed increases in faster boats are definately worth it but it all depends on the class of boat you sail. Skiffs generally are suited to sailing free opposed to pinching when overpowered.
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Im all in favour of footing off and bringing on the speed, but being 64kg and sailing a 600 i dont really have the leverage to power up.   - (linking back to the swift solo)  Being 64kg myself and having a 12m main its fair to say that its a bit of a handful in force 4+ but still managable. 
I have been looking to upgrade, i.e mussy skiff / 700 / (or now the) solo swift
(please dont misunderstand me when i say upgrade, im not saying a 600 is not as good, i just mean i wanna go a bit faster)
But from looking at the sail area to leverage ratio im going to have to rule the solo swift out as a possibility for me.  With 2.14m more upwind main area and less boat width for leverage i just dont see how lil me is going to be able to handle it.  Of course i understand that rigs can be tuned and altered to depower them but considering how powered up boats like the mussy and 700 already are (and with less sail area than the swift) it seems as if the swift would be extremely limited in the wind limits it could be sailed in. 

Although saying that, i would love to get some honest opinions from some ppl who have sailed them to see if i could throw it back in the list of possibilities. 

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Anyone got photos of the UK Swift Solos in build or complete and sailing stages?

Can we book test sails?

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Doug, you can't compare a development rig, as on the Swift, to one of those smelly smod rigs.

It's possible to depower a rig SO much. For instance, make the rig very low profile, keep the C of E low. Use a nice bendy carbon mast. RS masts are absolute tree trunks! Do they still fit laminate peieces of metal into the mast to make sure they have absolutely no gust response? And as for the Musto Skiff, one word, Proctor, yuck!

With a development rig you can keep loads of control over bend charecteristics by installing lowers, D2's, and caps, as and when you wish. Installing adjustable caps is, in my opinion, probably the most effective way of controlling the power.

Are you allowed to bung some of that area from the main onto the jib? Another great way of reducing healing moment.

In conclusion, SMOD rigs, because they all have to be the same, are designed for one particular demographic. However with a development rig you can setup so it works for YOU! I can't see a problem with a 10stone fella handling 14sqm of sail
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