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    Posted: 19 Dec 05 at 8:02am
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PPS MPS sailors are also not all blokes ...

 

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Originally posted by Strawberry

Jim, your a bit of a wooden boat expert I believe, where do you buy marine wood from?

Wooden boat expert? Me?! Err no. Decent marine grade timber is a considerable challenge these days, and prices eye watering! With strip wood it might pay to go to a non specialist but major timber merchant and select the best pieces individually. Light spruce especially a problem.

There's a place called Robbins in Bristol who have a lot of stock esp marine ply and big price tags. You need to know exactly what you're ordering from them: the last time I did I got what I'd ordered but not what I'd expected or wanted. Merlin people probably best to talk to about wood, although maybe less weight oriented than Cherub folk...
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Be very careful when you buy marine ply. The ply described by your average builders merchant as marine is not good. As Jim says Robbins of Bristol are very good and very helpful and worth a visit. Yes they are expensive but I found to my cost that the local builders ply is no good.
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Might also be worth speaking to some of the 'traditional' boat builders or repairers as well to see if they can point you in the right direction.

My 2p is that the swift is a very beautiful looking boat (I am biased I love wood boats) but it would be a bit of a handful for a lot of people (and probably the wrong side of my club PY limit).

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Near Saltford in bristol, they sell mahooooosive sheets of marine ply for £19, so big even cut in half it doesn't go in the car, but in quarters its fine....i don't know the exact place but its where we got it for whaam which seems fine, and i still have enough to re-deck a firefly!

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Originally posted by Strawberry

That's definately something to consider. At 89kg it's not exactly light.

Jim, your a bit of a wooden boat expert I believe, where do you buy marine wood from?

You don't need to bother with marine timber suppliers. You can can get the particleboard for the forms and the plywood for the strongback from your local hardware. I got my western red cedar from a wooden window blinds manufacturer. I got them to mill the strips for me. That is the only "timber" you need.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Strawberry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 05 at 10:51pm

It looks like the Swift Solo is goin to be too expensive for me. Looking at the Robbins website, just the cedar strips were going to cost thousands! Never mind the mega expensive hybrid fabrics.

I've still got this really niggling idea that I want to build a boat. Problem being, I'm skint!

I've had a read of the "How to build a wooden Cherub" article, by Jim C on the Cherub website. Maybe thats an idea. Jim, do you think your estimate of costs between £300 and £600 is still about right? Or have prices either risen or fallen?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 05 at 12:08pm
Why build in wood?

Build a foam glass boat.

The class has a very good male 'slug' mould ( better be quick as it may be
going to France, as there's lots of interest in building boats there, and
even a mould being taken off Jim's old Bistro - I believe!? ). So no cost of
building a mould. Just foam and glass. That radically reduces the cost.
And is likely to end up around the same price as building in wood. Or if
you want to build a boat that has plans ( which I am guessing the reason
you liked the look of the Swift Solo ) talk to Andy at Bloodaxe, he sells his
plans for the P7 for £70?. And they are very good - step by step - with
lot's of pictures. In fact he may have some plans for his P6 ( King Tubby )
which was built in ply, if you are wedded to wood.

Oh yes.... and if you build in foam, you are much more likely to get free
bits of foam and stuff from members in the Cherub class because they
have foam unused kicking about the place, which is much more unlikely if
you build in wood.

And... building a 12-ft boat as opposed to a 14-ft boat or whatever is
cheaper: less materials e.t.c and with a Cherub you can minimise the
fittings used as you don't need that many. And that will reduce the cost
even further still.

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That's put the cat amongst the pigeons. I didn't realise I could build in foam for so little cash. I will have to go to Matrix and have a chat with Wiz about the cost of the materials. Cheers for the idea "Jack".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 05 at 1:01pm
I just thought I would add that foam is more expensive than wood but
you need more wood to build the boat. More floor bulkeads and structure
e.t.c You still need to glass it. So you end up with a boat that is a bit
heavier than foam, costs less per sheet but you use more sheets e.t.c So
the differnce in price isn't that great, especially when you figure in the
Cherub freebie market economy.

But here's a link for wood: http://www.marineply.com/welcome1.htm

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