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    Posted: 13 Dec 05 at 12:50pm

Well firstly of course I'd love to have a go!

I wonder though if the Contender would be the class it is today. The Contender has grown in numbers gradually over the years (2400 in 40ish years) never really attracting the pot-hunters that Olympic selection would have brought, never really forcing development. Sometimes low-tech is better for a classes longevity, which is why there are so many Contenders still around. Sure weight could have been reduced and exotic mateials brought in earlier but maybe we don't want to have to think too hard about (or put our hand in our pockets for) the techy stuff.

By the way, the Contender IS 'The Ultimate Singlehander', it says so on the website and try as many people have it's never been disproved

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Originally posted by Matt Jackson

That and my constant reference to the Contender as 'The Ultimate Singlehander' might make me an unpopular classmate


Just as a matter of interest, if you think the Contender is the ultimate singlehander what would you call the orginal prototype Bob/Benny designed which was nearly a 100lbs lighter and, rumour has it, occasionally embarassed A cats of the day?
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Been reading all this stuff about boatspeed with much interest. Whilst I agree you don't need a brand-new boat with perfect foils, sails etc to win, why make life difficult? If you can win with a slow boat, think how much easier and less stressful life would be if your boat was faster! Boat preparation may be time-consuming (some people might even say boring), but it's a lot less time-consuming than the hours and hours on the water you'd need to hone your boat handling and tactics to the level where you can make up for a basic lack of speed.

The best start ever won't help you if you get rolled 200yds up the first beat by 5 boats whose start was nearly as good as yours, but who are simply going 1/4 of a knot faster!

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I take it that involves sailing a Scorpion rather than some kind of DIY Botox, in which case see my comment on ICs. Anyway I think even a Scorpion would be a handful single-handed.

Sorry and all that, but my signature does indicate what sort of response is likely

(Actually that post probably wasn't aimed at me was it? Never mind, must keep up the grumpy old man image)



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Sounds to me like your in need of some Scorpion therapy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 1:27pm

Yeah, but all that work with light wind summer has taken about 2 stone off me.

Also I recently told the local IC sailors (John Ellis among them) it'd be a cold day in hell before I sailed a boat with a sliding seat as my old class (Hornets) dropped them in the late 70's in favour of wires.

That and my constant reference to the Contender as 'The Ultimate Singlehander' might make me an unpopular classmate

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Originally posted by Matt Jackson

For me a Contender was far more tiring in a 2-3 than a 3-4.


Me too. Legs just got to tired for trapeze boats in lighter gusty conditions. So I bought a Canoe! Its great in that respect.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 12:58pm

I know this has been said in a roundabout way before but as a former 'big lad' I would rather get average results in a comfortable boat than good results in an uncomfortable one and being too large for your class (in a general sense) is a sure way to be uncomfortable. Because of this at 15.5 stone there wasn't many classes open to me, sure I could sail a Laser but there's enough pain in my life already.

You can learn to depower a boat but you can't make an uncomfortable one comfortable. For me a Contender was far more tiring in a 2-3 than a 3-4.

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Well said Jim.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 8:58am
Originally posted by Hector

Whoever said that has probably read  John Oakleys book WINNING. At the start of chapter one said   - "In this day and age, it is virtually impossible to win major races with a standard boat".

Well he's wildly exaggerating. Wouldn't be the first and won't be the last top sailor who doesn't actually understand what the relative importance of how fast the boat is and how fast the helm is. He doesn't really need to. But I would wager serious money that if you put me in a brand new Laser and Ben Ainsley in a scored, soft old dog with a clapped out sail and a bent mast that he would beat me by damn near as much as if the boats were reversed.

And remember I'm talking about mid fleet sailors. I said boatspeed was the difference between first and 5th, as opposed to the difference between first and 50th.

And never forget for the bottom end of the fleet sailor boatspeed is just a means of getting to the wrong side of the beat faster. To repeat. Virtually no-one who puts all the rest of the effort in that it takes to campaigh at the top of the class is going to sail with a badly prepared slow boat. But it still means that boatspeed is a tiny factor in the campaign. Sailors don't like to hear it because its such an easy excuse for losing. Doesn't mean its not true.
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