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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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Shingle ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 111 |
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Mmm GUN sounds like a 59er candidate with a trap kit on it me
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Drink Feck girls!
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grimupnorth ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 48 |
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Yay 59er would love to have a go. Thing is, I'm not a middle-aged man with a beer gut & a Harley Davison, which I believed were entry criteria for the 59er class ;-) Do we think a used 59er could be modded for single trap use? I'm probably too mean to go brand new (lovely though the Ovi boats are). Grim |
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Shingle ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 111 |
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Bethwaite is sending out conversions in Austrailia, and I'm reseaching it now. May be it's time to snap up a bargain if you can find a second had one. You are the image thing is a problem, but that was crappy marketing.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Now personally I don't find the wrong weight thing much of a turnoff if I like sailing the boat - obviously otherwise I wouldn't have been sailing a Cherub for many years. Personally I'd rather be mid fleet in my IC than win [I wish] in, well I suppose a Phantom or a Finn might work for my waistline! So, why, for you, is being beaten round the track for weight reasons more of a turnoff than being beaten round the track because the other guys go running every night, or buy new sails every three months, or have far more time to practice than you, or all the other factors that make for winning boat races other than what talent you are born with? Obviously you're not alone in thinking that, because equalising weight is seen as a bigger priority than say limiting sail purchases by SMOD manufacturers. I can imagine a class fitness equalisation system where you have to run a 100 yards, and the boat gets a pound of lead for every bpm your heartrate is below 250bpm (or whatever) at the end, but I can't imagine people wanting to sign up for it. Or how about a system where you get the lead in your boat reduced 5 lbs for every inch of batten poke crease at the end of the short battens? |
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Offshoretiger ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 05 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 179 |
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This is really were the 'being the right weight' thing kicks in. Sailing a boat that your light for is mostly a question of learning to manage (or dump) the extra power. But a 2-up trapeze boat that is designed for teenagers to be fully powered up in 10-12kts is going to be annoying for 2 adults in the same conditions becuase you will be in that half wiring, in, out, in, in the boat, quick get on the wire, now in again, zone which is hard to sail through at the best of times and even more frustrating when all the lighter crews are powered up and trapezeing. Mind you when it gets to 20kts and your flying it might feel less annoying
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...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!......
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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160kg is a good weight for a 505 and would be more suited to you than sailing a V3000, RS500 etc. Our all up crew weight on the 49er is roughly 145-150kg and we were told we'd be too heavy to be competitive unless it was blowing in the RS800 when we were looking at boats. We also chose the 5000 over the 4000 for the same reason previously. Raced 505s with the same weight range as you stated and the boat goes really well, plus the new rules big kites make the boat sail like a skiff downwind plus you have the added bonus of being able to run deep. |
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swiftsolo.org ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Jul 05 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 101 |
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I have to disagree with you there. I race on the same track as 505s most weekends and the bigger kites still don't make them go like a skiff downwind. The 59er absolutely eats them. The trapeze kit for the 59er has arrived from Bethwaites and hopefully I can get it rigged for this weekend. It will be interesting to see what it does to the performance. |
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simsy ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 158 |
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Nah, I think at that weight, you are still sailing with lead. I think too much emphasis is being put on weight. Yes, it can make a difference, but overall if you're a good sailor it means nothing. Edited by simsy |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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I don't sail 505s every weekend and on the ocassions I have, she did feel like a skiff downwind, but thats probably because its been blowing above 20 knots. On the whole, I wouldn't want to be any lighter and we're probably closer to the 140kg mark......
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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And if you're not a good sailor it means even less... |
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