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Guest 
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 Topic: Youth Class ?Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 11:28pm |
Just ask your kid(s) what he/she wants ... if you get the boat that is recommended but you child wants the other then they will drift away from the sport ... |
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simsy
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 10:44pm |
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Ahh yes.....get rid of both the 29er and 420, and replace it with a boat that is highly suitable for two youngsters to carry up a slip way, which is full of lead, and racks that require a leap of faith in order to get on to. |
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boatshed
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 10:37pm |
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I raised this point in order to chose between two "youth" boats - not discuss Scorpions, L4000 etc ! Both the 420 & 29er are part of the RYA Youth Programme. Also, the 29er is now the ISAF class for the 2007 & 8 worlds and the adopted youth class in Germany. If you were 16 ( I wish) and wanted to follow a prescribed training programme in the UK, which boat would it be ? Jim C gave the clearest answer but if the 29er becomes the ISAFyouth boat, will the very great, current appeal of the 420, along with its following quickly fade or will this class become the Girls youth class ? I believe their should be some guidance on this matter as it is the parents who pay.
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 9:21pm |
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dick emery i think ... |
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HannahJ
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 9:12pm |
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Was it Michael Crawford who said that?
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damp_freddie
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 9:06pm |
"Oooh, you are awful....but I like you." |
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nathan
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 9:06pm |
Thats is drivel! I'll give you that its much faster than a 420, but only marginal quicker than a 29er- py only varies (920-906=14) by a tiny amount... Quite how a much better sailor is needed to sail it well is totally unfounded!! It is a relatively striaghtforward boat to sail.. conventional rig (proctor ali mast) and hull shape.. I would say most sailors in this country would find the 29er considerably harder to master, it being a skiff and the associated handling chanes. Along with a fundamentally different rig with a composite mast section, and crew playing mainsheet. A 4000 is fairly popular, and the standard at the front of the fleet is comparable to many other national classes, but I wouldn't say it needed a better sailor to sail the boat well than any other class....
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JimC
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 8:09pm |
I've taught quite a few people to sail in my Cherubs over the years. But its no longer a practical option. Back in the 60s there was even a Sailing school that used Cherubs, but they were very different boats then. |
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Bumble
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 2:11pm |
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On your bike, the 4k isn't that quick and is outdated, it is an overweight skiff wannabe, with the only design brief being cheap to manufacture! The only thing a L4000 would be good for would be keep the stupid masses buying new stuff, thus maintaining consumer sector growth, thus looking after my investments and keeping me in Scorpions (and crisps)! |
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BBSCFaithfull
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Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 1:43pm |
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Although both boats are good, they are both quite size dependant for example i am 6'2-3 and weigh between 12'10 and thirteen stone and my crew is similar and we are much 2 big for the supposed youth boats . Me and my m8 sail a 4000 because it has the equalisation system which means it is compettitve with other 4000 sailors. Whereas the 420 and 9er are very much crew dependant in copetition. In My opinion they should scrap both boats and go with the 4K!! Its much faster and requires a much better sailor to sail it well! |
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