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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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The V3000 would be getting my money anyway, reckon the V3000 will be quicker and looks a better developed boat...... Will be interesting to see what happens. |
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carshalton fc ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337 |
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yes possible but it isnt working!!
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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I haven't seen the v3000 whats it like?
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49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!
Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Well thank heavens the new FRP Osprey will be out soon. Big boys toys
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Think laser 3k, but alltogether tidier, better quality and more well thought out. Theres been a number of threads with pics on here, do a search ![]() Edited by Isis |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Well so what if its a Vareo on HRT - if they have got it right it will still sell and if not it will righty fade away. Cannot understand what all the froth is about - of course its about business and what's wrong with that ! Business delivers better design in a dynamic market (and the UK must be THE dynamic market) and it can translate the best of development into a low cost mass market product at an affordable price. The downside is that at least half of the modern SMOD's will fail and to many they will appear poor compromises - but the better ones can prosper and bring more into competitive sailing. If this one outlasts the PR and hype of the first 2-3 years it will LEVER its own gap in the market if its any good. There are no real gaps out there - its about competition despite what is sometimes said and only a few minor niches could be said to exist unless you stretched the point a long long way. After all the hardcore UK dinghy racing market is probably less than 20k people in total but the recreational market (those who sail a few times each Summer must be 20 times that at least - where would you aim your new product then?). Those that feel threatened should work to improve their own classes appeal and not simply blame the suppliers for what comes naturally. Remember though that the customer is always right ... in the end. Mike L.
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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The V3000 is a Laser 3000 with a lot of sensible developments from skiffs, ie boom sheeting, RS800 style chute at the front, new Sobstad sails, vang kicker, better control lines and has lost about 30kg. Looks a pretty sorted boat and the old 3000s can mod up to the new developments although I think it will be hard to lose the 30kgs.
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jpbuzz591 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 793 |
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i would say that the V3000 would prob be the winner out of this contest here,agreeing with dennis that it is a well sorted boat and i think it will be difficult for RS to make a squeeze into the market with the amount of single trapeze boats on the market. Yes the buzz is no where near the top in numbers and could do with just a bit of a revival, general overhaul really (which i dont really think will happen) but it is still a good boat to get into trapezing and assys and relatively cheap.
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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A V3000 prototype is racing at my club. The boat is significantly faster than the L3000 in any sort of breeze although the helm claims he thinks its not as good in the light stuff. The helm is very good but this doesn't explain completely why the V3000 is embarassing the 4000s - it has to be the boat, particularly the lighter hull. The helm claims the boat is still under development and so may not turn out quite so fast. That will be up to the class association - they may have a dilema. Slow it down so that it stays comparable with the L3000 or leave it like it is, which may give it a yardstick under 1000 and then it will have a nice ciche in the market rather than being a competitor to the Buzz. We'll have to se how it performs in the light but in any breeze its way faster than a Buzz.
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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I don't want to knock the RS500 too much but if I was a young teenager again, I'd definately want to sail the V3000 if I was wanting an alternative to the 29er. The RS500 will have a lot of competition in targeting the racing market but should do really well as a family/racer boat and sailing school boat. What would really put the cat amongst the pigeons is if she could keep up with the 29er and out perform the V3000
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