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ed490 
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Joined: 17 Jan 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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 Topic: RS500 ...Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 3:45pm |
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Buzz? PY 1007, single trapeze, stable, great boat to learn assymetric sailing and trapezing |
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Bumble
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Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 3:30pm |
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Personally, if your the right weight with a good crew...... I think you must be tragically sick not to sail a 420. 96, rept:96 boats at the last nationals, good cheap boats with resale value, international competition, big enough for dad, exciting, well developed etc. Boats harder to sail than a ent are always going to have to take market share from one class - that is why we have mass hysteria over a new class that isn' very new. I don't see anything new here, so its sucess depends on the failure of classes like the 420. I repeat again..... you'd have to be sick...... |
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southcoast
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 2:55pm |
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i take back my last post im not sure this is filling a gap looking at the pic from http://www.chifed.org/latest.htm#Possible_New_Youth_Boat_ doesnt exactly look fast, looks like a big fever with a trapese, thought they could have done better than that maybe something to rival the 29er with its beautiful looks and speed. Maybe this is a fake though i duno
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southcoast
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 2:49pm |
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personally i would say there is a large gap in the market for single trapese. Cant think of why there is not a gap to be honest. 29er = too tippy for many 505 = dated 420 = dated 470 = dated 4000 = dated no offence meant to anyone but i just think there is a gap here please correct if im wrong though.
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Alex C
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 1:45pm |
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'Designed to be more appealing for clubs than the difficult 29er or the symmetric and very expensive 420' 'Yardstick of around 1000, - stable enough for the "August sailors", and buoyant enough for Dad to enjoy...' (taken from the link in one of the above posts) The design criteria sounds very similar to the one that the Buzz fits. Although clearly not being the most popular class around, I believe a few are still being built. So my question is what are RS proposing to do which is significantly different to the Buzz or V3000etc???
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Chew my RS
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Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 1:06pm |
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We seem to have come full circle with boat design. Single trapeze boats are very unfashionable theses days (the Fireball's revival perhaps being the exception) and the L4000 is the only non-youth single-wire asymmetric you can buy, I think (can you still buy an ISO or Buzz?). The irony is that it was RS that made them so unpopular, marketting the 400 and 800 as 'fairer' because you weren't reliant on lightweight helms and beanpole crews. Having killed this sector off, they now spot the gap! Far from being naive, I think RS are marketting genii. Please don't think I'm sl*gging RS off, their boats are great and better sorted than most other SMODs, and I hope the 500 succeeds - but no one is in business for philanthropic reasons.
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Phat Bouy
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 12:50pm |
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Some more information for you at:
http://www.chifed.org/latest.htm#Possible_New_Youth_Boat_ |
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Guest
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Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 12:16pm |
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Martin, I agree with all you have said above,the transition in the UK dinghy scene over the last 10 years has been incredible. I don't think there is any other country that has a better dinghy sailing environment than the UK. However, all markets move in cycles to some extent and in the early ninties the market soaked up the new classes like a sponge. I suspect some of the resistance you have seen on this forum is an indication that perhaps the market is moving to a new phase - there are now enough new classes to forfill the needs of most of the sailors out there and perhaps what the market is now desiring is more focus on the developemnt of the classes that already exist rather than a new one. As you say - at the end of the day the market will decide. Rick
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Martin Wadhams
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 11:55am |
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Has so much changed on the British sailing scene in recent years? 30 years ago these were some of the two person hiking classes: Albacore, Bosun, Eleven Plus, Enterprise, Express, Firefly, GP14, Graduate, Gull, Heron, Kestrel, Lark, Leader, Mayfly, Merlin Rocket, Mermaid, Miracle, Mirror, Mirror 16, National 12, Pacer, Scorpion, Seafly, Signet, Snipe, Turtle, Wanderer, Wayfarer, Wineglass…and I bet I’ve forgotten some! There have always been new classes coming along – some successful, some not. The British dinghy scene is one of the most (probably the most) vibrant and active in the world. I talk to sailors around the world – most envy us. In many of their countries there is a much more restricted system for classes raced generating greater resistance to new classes. Does this help or hinder their sport – particularly at grass roots level? If it helps, where is the evidence? Overall participation numbers? – nope. Newcomers to the sport?- nope. Retention of youngsters after youth classes? – nope. In recent years we’ve seen the advent of the asymmetric spinnaker, the desire for SMODs to reduce campaign cost / time and some new materials used in sailboat production (and before the retaliation rains in, of course these are not for everyone – but they are clearly liked by some). So is it surprising that there has been a flurry of development? Well developed, well targeted boats will succeed, those that miss the mark will not – same as ever. And, when one or two new classes are successful in a sector development is then likely to decrease again. |
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carshalton fc
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Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 11:20am |
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yes i would agree with that age bracket but for me and my friend we cant race a 29er cos we are just to big and the 4000 gives us the space to move and means we wont go swimming all the time!
to be honist i just cant see were th rs500 is going to fit in!!
 is it trying totake over from the 4000 or is it going to be a light weights boat were the 29er is??  |
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