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    Posted: 25 Nov 05 at 10:11am

RS launch another new boat. Who cares? I mean really, who the hell gives a damn? Class racing at clubs is getting more and more difficult to find, handicap racing is seriously flawed (unless you sail a Fireball!! ), so the answer is obviously another new class! So there's a gap in the market for a onedesign single trapeze dinghy? Since when? That market has been saturated since the 60's! The only difference is the asymmetric kite, which in that market has only one advantage - ease of handling. I can't be the only person who thinks that mastering the handling of a symmetrical kite is fun and very rewarding. Think of the satisfaction when you pull off a perfect reach to reach gybe flying down a wave with the kite full all the way through!

Maybe I'm behind the times, but I say again - WHO CARES??

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I have to agree; I'd love to review the market segmentation analysis that shows the gap in the market.

Perhaps the chaps at RS should read this page.

http://www.marketingteacher.com/Lessons/lesson_ansoff.htm

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Apparantly as stable as a Feva and approaching the performance of a Fireball!
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There is a very cropped shot on the "other" site.

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tgruitt - so it's a 470 then!!
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The markets we have identified for the RS500 are as follows:

 

  • Young racing sailors – post Feva / Mirror but outside elite youth squad group >115kg
  • Adult racing sailors – club and regatta circuit sailors <145kg
  • Young or old – sport / recreational sailing
  • Institutions – sport sailing / performance training

The first group mostly aspire to a trapeze boat. Currently they have the choice of 420 and 29er (4000 / Fireball are too big). The 420 is user friendly but expensive and many youngsters would prefer a modern asymmetric boat. The 29er is modern and asymmetric, but only the most talented youngsters are good enough to handle it  (therefore stifling fleet development at club level) and they also have to be light to be competitive. So there is a significant need here for the 500. We’re very close to many of these sailors right now and we’re hearing it directly from them and their parents.

 

Adult racers - The 500 will suit moderate sized adults as well as the younger sailors, deliberately aimed at transcending the usual age 19 break point. This will be relatively unique. Loss of sailors from the sport at age 19 is known to be a big issue. The 500 will be a boat you can sail at “any” age - that can be used by all the family – that is really easy to handle but loads of fun – that is very reasonably priced. This is another big slot in the market.

 

Ref the last two groups - recreational sailors and institutions – these two don’t affect the class racing debate, so I’ll not delve into them here.

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I was gonna copy that from 'the other side' but didnt because i though someone might get angry!
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This just highlights the stupidity of a marketing-driven approach to dinghy design. How on earth can anyone say that pairs of sailors between 18 and 23 stone are not catered for??? For God's sake, 9 stone helms and 14 stone crews are not uncommon in FD world. Anyone want to make a list of suitable boats that have established circuits, freely available entry-level boats and are a lot of fun. Starting with the Fireball, maybe?

Don't let this nonsense influence you, people. The loss of sailors from the sport at 19+ has NOTHING to do with a lack of classes for them to sail.

This stuff may be good for RS growth figures, but does the sport of dinghy sailing nothing but harm

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Post Options Post Options   Quote NeilP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 05 at 4:16pm

Tom - too late

And Mr Wadhams - unique is a binary quality. Either it's unique or it isn't. Relatively unique is completely meaningless

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Offshoretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 05 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by Martin Wadhams

The markets we have identified for the RS500 are as follows:

  • Young racing sailors – post Feva / Mirror but outside elite youth squad group >115kg
  • Adult racing sailors – club and regatta circuit sailors <145kg
  • Young or old – sport / recreational sailing
  • Institutions – sport sailing / performance training

The first group mostly aspire to a trapeze boat. Currently they have the choice of 420 and 29er (4000 / Fireball are too big).

 

Maybe someone should tell all the teenagers currently sailing the fireball that the boat is to big for them.

The guys who won the silver fleet at the fireball worlds are 18, the guys who won the bronze fleet are both 14 and I can think of several other 14, 15 and 16 year olds currently sailing fireballs without any trouble at all.

 

 

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