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    Posted: 17 Nov 05 at 10:02pm
I'm surprised others haven't mentioned it but if the crew is oversheeting the kite it causes quite a lot of leehelm.  Get your crew to keep the kite "on the curl" which requires a repetitive ease and tighten motion.  You'll notice the boat accelerate away if the kite's eased from an oversheeted setting.
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Cheers, but yeah i know the hole luff curl stuff
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put tell tales on the luff - then the helm can back the call of 'let it OUT!' with evidence ! ( instead of the dead, can't steer, lee helm, going slow feel of invisible oversheeting )
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If you want to learn how to sail downwind properly, and you've got lots of space, try sailing without a rudder. If you fix the rudder with rope so it is permanently in the middle and just steer the boat using the sails and boat balance / trim.
I'll have to admit never trying this in a Cherub! but have done it using both asymmetric and conventional spinnakers with the crew out on the wire. Believe it or not, the asymmetric was a laser stratos in a force 4-5!
The conventional spinnaker (Fireball) was during in a race - halfway down a flat out reach to the finish, I noticed the rudder had gone a bit light but just put it down to cavitation so concentrated on steering the thing using the sails. It was only after the finish when we capsized out of control I realised that the rudder was no longer on its pintles and was just floating on the surface dragging behind!
Once you'e been blasting around without the rudder for a few hours, you'll wonder why people bother using them.........
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Originally posted by Ian99

If you want to learn how to sail downwind properly, and you've got lots of space, try sailing without a rudder. If you fix the rudder with rope so it is permanently in the middle and just steer the boat using the sails and boat balance / trim.
I'll have to admit never trying this in a Cherub! but have done it using both asymmetric and conventional spinnakers with the crew out on the wire. Believe it or not, the asymmetric was a laser stratos in a force 4-5!
The conventional spinnaker (Fireball) was during in a race - halfway down a flat out reach to the finish, I noticed the rudder had gone a bit light but just put it down to cavitation so concentrated on steering the thing using the sails. It was only after the finish when we capsized out of control I realised that the rudder was no longer on its pintles and was just floating on the surface dragging behind!
Once you'e been blasting around without the rudder for a few hours, you'll wonder why people bother using them.........

Tried this in a 59er fine going up wind, but very comical going downwind with the kite up, a moments inattention, a little bit of heel and its away followed by some swimming practice, but great fun !!

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Sailing without a rudder is quite easy once you've got the hang of it, and yeah i agree, why do u need one? i suppose they r quite useful, but havent tried sailing rudderless with a spinni. been told the spinni acts just a giant jib, so sheet in to bear away, etc.
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Linton Jenkins has taken this idea a bit further his argument now is that for foiling moths you dont need an aft trim tab, and that i can be done just be moving your body to shift the weight, having read rohans logs and stuff, this will require some serious fitness trainin as foiling at the best of times can be very very pressing.
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