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    Posted: 17 Nov 05 at 7:41am

Hi, when we hve the kite up on our boat, we often find that the kite tugs it so the helm is often trying to head back up and the kite tugs you back again, I havent owned an asymmetric dinghy before (sailed a lot) so i this normal and does it mean we should be bearing away anyway and its the kites idea of making us do it??? Or do we need a longer rudder blade?

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You mean you have lee helm?  How flat are you keeping the boat?
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You always get a certain amount of lee helm on all asy's as the centre of effort of the kite is a long way forward of the centre of effort of the boat.
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Does'nt help when the boat is so short too!  You could take a leaf out of the 12's book and sail it a bit on it's ear but that may be s-l-o-w...
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If you're really fighting lee helm then you're probably too shy. Might be quicker to drop the kite if you have to make a mark. A moderate amount is normal shy reaching in lighter conditions.
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If this is your first experience of asymmetric dinghies, you could do a lot worse than put the 'Higher and Faster' DVD on you christmas list. It get's abit serious but the principals are there for the novice aswell.
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Originally posted by Wave Rider

Hi, when we hve the kite up on our boat, we often find that the kite tugs it so the helm is often trying to head back up and the kite tugs you back again, I havent owned an asymmetric dinghy before (sailed a lot) so i this normal and does it mean we should be bearing away anyway and its the kites idea of making us do it??? Or do we need a longer rudder blade?

sorry if this is simple and i sound a twat

Sounds like you are trying to carry the kite too high ...

Once the breeze is up you will just follow the kite; what class is it?
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Like Rick says - any wind and you follow the kite. Even in lighter breezes when you're trying to make a mark, you can't go too high as if you do, the foils can stall / lose grip, and you just start slipping sideways. Better to bear away ain gusts and to come back onto wind when foils are working - the bear away then come up course will be faster than 'stuffing' all the way.

Also be sure to sheet your main right in - this helps balance the kite and aids flow thro the slot.
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Ok cheers thats very helpful, i did think it may be heading too high on the reaches, ok i will remebeer to follow the kite in the future!!!! By the way the boat is a cherub so yes it could be that a fairly big kite with small foils and not much length.

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I find the biggest cause of lee helm is that you don't have the main sheeted
tight enough. The main should be right in, as your sailing on apparent wind
rather than true wind. Once you get really skillfull you can steer downwind
using solely the main, sheet in to head up, and sheet off to bear away. (I
haven't mastered it yet) This is a very fast technique, and "feels" loads more
"natural" to sheet in when you heel to windward, and sheet out when you
heel to leeward.

You shouldn't be having problems pointing high, I can get onto a beam
reach in Strawberry, and that's with a huouge and seriously deep kite!
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