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    Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 2:38pm

Oops, forgot DL.

As for RMW, I think it's in the pipeline...... It's just a really long pipe!

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What do you think Laser's reaction would be if the CA approached them with a wish-list of mods to the 4000 to modernise/improve it?

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It's the perrenial problem of forcing people to upgrade to stay comptative. How many 49ers had unfortunate incidents with rev5 masts to get rev9 because of the performance benefit? . Take something like a self tacking jib, could this be accomodated by the existing hull? I think a major make over is better than a half hearted one. How are 4000 sales at the moment as that could ultimately drive Laser into action? You have to be careful not alienate your existing fleet, but if that fleet only wants to spend 2-3k on a boat they're never going to buy new.

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Can't see much point in making major changes to old classes.   Look around and you will find the boats you want to create already out there.  The B14 is well engineered,  very light, has a carbon mast and nearly 50 m2 of mylar sails from any sail maker.  It is competitive with a wide crew weight range.  Perhaps its just too difficult to do well in this class for it to be popular and get mass appeal ?
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I must admit, though ive never sailed one I really like the B14. Theres definantly something cool about them, and thats even before they take off at breathtaking speed for a non-trap boat.

I have no idea what their nationals entries etc are like but they dont seem to be too popular. Cant understand why...
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Originally posted by NickA

 If only the 505 or fireball had gone asymetric.

The Fireball did! It was loads quicker downwind apparently, but obviously could not run or tight reach like a conventional boat, and it was just too big a jump to completely change the way the boats raced.  I dare say if it had gone assymm the class would be dead now, as let's face it a Fireball is always going to be a bit rubbish as an assym compared to an 800 or similar.

The test boat is still about (rigged conventionally again) and was at Abersoch 2004.  It is wood, although it looks almost identical to a white Winder and is called "Plug" (no prizes for guessing what it was used for) and you can see the filled in holes in the bulkhead and foredeck where the pole lived.  I've never seen pix of it sailing as an asymm though, would be great to see.

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Have you noticed how unpopular single trapeze dinghies are these days?  Only the Fireball in top 10 nationals attendance, then L4000, then the Osprey with a mighty 28 (not counting cats or youth boats).  RS seem to have made the idea of a single dangler totally unfashionable - is this because it encourages 'strange' sized people to win? 
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I wouldnt say unpopular... just too spread out. Theres such a massive range of similar single trap boats around, and people moving from one fad to the next  so huge fleets will never build up.
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

Have you noticed how unpopular single trapeze dinghies are these days?   


But not nearly as unpopular as two string boats...

Just did some sums on the YY attendance list

Two handers without kite
431 entries, average 29 per class

Two Handers with kite, no trapeze
787, av 40

Two handers, one string
395, av 28

Two handers, two string
191, av 27

Singlehanders no string
804, av 21

Singlehanders, string, no kite
109, av 36

Singlehanders string and kite
63, av 31

Or to look it another way, PT number versus total and average entries

PY <800
total 31 entries, average 31
PY 900-899
231, average 29
PY 900-999
583, average 34
PY 1000-1099
966, average 42
py 100-1100
729, average 49

So actually the most popular boats are still what they always have been, moderate performance ones.

Presumanbly the amrketing boys at Topper, Laser et al have finally spotted this, which is why there's a sudden stop in commisioning whizzy high performance boats and a sudden surge in rather slower ones.

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There's a couple of 2 string boats that are falling by the wayside, the Boss and the 5000 and then there's the one for lightweights Spice I think its called.  If anybody wants a Boss or a 5000 there's a couple of good ones at my club that never get sailed, shame really - lots of bang for your buck.
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