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Strawberry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1337 |
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Oops, forgot DL. As for RMW, I think it's in the pipeline...... It's just a really long pipe! |
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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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What do you think Laser's reaction would be if the CA approached them with a wish-list of mods to the 4000 to modernise/improve it? |
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Shingle ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 111 |
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It's the perrenial problem of forcing people to upgrade to stay comptative. How many 49ers had unfortunate incidents with rev5 masts to get rev9 because of the performance benefit? . Take something like a self tacking jib, could this be accomodated by the existing hull? I think a major make over is better than a half hearted one. How are 4000 sales at the moment as that could ultimately drive Laser into action? You have to be careful not alienate your existing fleet, but if that fleet only wants to spend 2-3k on a boat they're never going to buy new.
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Can't see much point in making major changes to old classes. Look around and you will find the boats you want to create already out there. The B14 is well engineered, very light, has a carbon mast and nearly 50 m2 of mylar sails from any sail maker. It is competitive with a wide crew weight range. Perhaps its just too difficult to do well in this class for it to be popular and get mass appeal ?
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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I must admit, though ive never sailed one I really like the B14. Theres
definantly something cool about them, and thats even before they take
off at breathtaking speed for a non-trap boat.
I have no idea what their nationals entries etc are like but they dont seem to be too popular. Cant understand why... |
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Iain C ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1113 |
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The Fireball did! It was loads quicker downwind apparently, but obviously could not run or tight reach like a conventional boat, and it was just too big a jump to completely change the way the boats raced. I dare say if it had gone assymm the class would be dead now, as let's face it a Fireball is always going to be a bit rubbish as an assym compared to an 800 or similar. The test boat is still about (rigged conventionally again) and was at Abersoch 2004. It is wood, although it looks almost identical to a white Winder and is called "Plug" (no prizes for guessing what it was used for) and you can see the filled in holes in the bulkhead and foredeck where the pole lived. I've never seen pix of it sailing as an asymm though, would be great to see. |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Have you noticed how unpopular single trapeze dinghies are these days? Only the Fireball in top 10 nationals attendance, then L4000, then the Osprey with a mighty 28 (not counting cats or youth boats). RS seem to have made the idea of a single dangler totally unfashionable - is this because it encourages 'strange' sized people to win?
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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I wouldnt say unpopular... just too spread out. Theres such a massive
range of similar single trap boats around, and people moving from one
fad to the next so huge fleets will never build up.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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But not nearly as unpopular as two string boats... Just did some sums on the YY attendance list Two handers without kite 431 entries, average 29 per class Two Handers with kite, no trapeze 787, av 40 Two handers, one string 395, av 28 Two handers, two string 191, av 27 Singlehanders no string 804, av 21 Singlehanders, string, no kite 109, av 36 Singlehanders string and kite 63, av 31 Or to look it another way, PT number versus total and average entries PY <800 total 31 entries, average 31 PY 900-899 231, average 29 PY 900-999 583, average 34 PY 1000-1099 966, average 42 py 100-1100 729, average 49 So actually the most popular boats are still what they always have been, moderate performance ones. Presumanbly the amrketing boys at Topper, Laser et al have finally spotted this, which is why there's a sudden stop in commisioning whizzy high performance boats and a sudden surge in rather slower ones. Edited by JimC |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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There's a couple of 2 string boats that are falling by the wayside, the Boss and the 5000 and then there's the one for lightweights Spice I think its called. If anybody wants a Boss or a 5000 there's a couple of good ones at my club that never get sailed, shame really - lots of bang for your buck.
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