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    Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by Sumo

Originally posted by simsy


Well I wouldnt reccomend the Vago, anything has gotta be better then
that.



I would recomend the Vago, in terms of size it isn' t that much different
than the L2000, but has the advantage of a gnav instead of a vang giving
more room for crew. It also has a much larger sail area and a larger
genacker making it a racier boat particularly downwind on the plane. It is
also has the advantage of being cheaper than the L2000.



Interesting reply. The L2000 is ideal for up to two adults and two kids,
would you say the same for the Vago?
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Originally posted by Philsy

Originally posted by Sumo

Originally posted by simsy


Well I wouldnt reccomend the Vago, anything has gotta be better then
that.



I would recomend the Vago, in terms of size it isn' t that much different
than the L2000, but has the advantage of a gnav instead of a vang giving
more room for crew. It also has a much larger sail area and a larger
genacker making it a racier boat particularly downwind on the plane. It is
also has the advantage of being cheaper than the L2000.



Interesting reply. The L2000 is ideal for up to two adults and two kids,
would you say the same for the Vago?

Personaly I wouldn't sail at L2000 with that many people?, my point is that with the gnav, what room there is in the Vago, which isn't that much smaller than the L2000 can be more easily used. The kicking strap on most dinghies, even quite large ones like the RS400 or Stratos means that more than one person in the front cockpit causes problems when trying to tack.

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I have to disagree with you there Sumo, I find that the L2000 is has much more space then the Vago. Iv sailed a L2000 many times, and have never found problems with gettin people in there. To be honest, the kicker really doesnt pose much of a problem, I never found it did anyway.

The L2000 really isnt much slower then the Vago, it was said that the Vago would sail off of a PY of 980, but thats just silly (ploy to sell the boat really). I would have thought its more along the lines of about 1030. So to be honest its not much racier, seeing as a L2000 sails off of 1089.

Also, in a breeze, you would be surprised how fun a L2000 is!
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Hi guys
On the subject of the Vago i have to honest and say that i havnt actually sailed one.  Although we had a demo boat come to our club for a few days and a whole range of sailors from our club tried it.  People who sail fireballs, laser 2000's + 4000's , phantoms - and many more people from different classes and i struggled to find a good comment from any of them about the Vago.  I always try to look for good points with any boat but the shear amount of bad reviews is less than inspiring.  Maybe it just wasnt right for a river.....anyone know what its like on waves??
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Well, had a sail in the Xenon on thursday and bought one today. What a great boat this is. We had it in a 3 and try as I might, I could not tip her up - so that's the kids sorted. She was very light on the tiller and very quick to change direction. I know she has a 2m beam but I couldn't believe the space and lack of clutter. The gnav and stainless hoop give even more room and somewhere to grab hold of if you lose your balance. The fittings and fixings looked good and sturdy. The see-through main is a godsend for racing. Single handing is a doddle. All in all it has everything I want and with no gel coat chips to repair, I can spend more time on the water. To think that she has a PY of 1036 and 30% more sail area than the L2K means i'm not going to get bored. I would thoroughly recommend the Xenon.
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Well, I'm envious. Still not had time for a demo sale (Datchett is not that
handy for me) but I've a gut feeling this is the boat for me.

I'll be interested to hear how you get on with the boat. When do you get
yours? Do please keep us posted!

Cheers

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Phil, I think it would be worth you making the time if you fancy a good deal.
I am having one of the ex Endeavour Trophy boats. Topper are selling the kite boat, combi, cover with full guarantee for £4.6K. I couldn't resist !
There are 30 boats in the Trophy of which six have been reserved in the last week.
Will post more when I get to play...
 
 
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Umm, that is a very good deal. Financially, though, I wasn't planning on
buying until next season....

Have to think about taht one...

Phil
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hmmm why have they name a dighy after an element, lol i was in science and thought i recognised Xenon, on the periodic table!
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An an inert one at that. Why not something highly reactive or radioactive??? Hmmm actually... name is quite appropriate!
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