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    Posted: 06 Aug 05 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by LocoP

Skiffie, Dont think anyone was saying you call n hemisphere boats punts. But there is a class Called a Norfolk Punt in the UK. I dont know much about them to be honest but they are a wild thing designed for sailing around on the Norfolk Broads. In development terms they followed the same pathway as the skiffs in the South Hemi but with different outcomes and perhaps not quite as exotic in construction terms. I reserve the right to be completely wrong on the last point.

I'm sure if the Norfolk Punt blokes if I started calling some boats not seem down here "punts", especially if they are wild, development boats, this thread would be defending the word "PUNT" not the word "SKIFF". I did use the word "punt" as an example, it could have been"shell" or "skull" or any other word. Just think of the Norfolk Punt blokes would be just as aggressive about defending their class name being used on an Optimist or a Lark or a Moth Scow, and their LIVE NEAR YOU, as lucky for you we are all the way over here.
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> but lovely looking boats anyway

Id agree with that.. The couple i have seen have been fantastic pieces of kit built for a specific purpose. Very cool.

 
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I don't think they're quite skiffs... but lovely looking boats anyway.
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Skiffie, Dont think anyone was saying you call n hemisphere boats punts. But there is a class Called a Norfolk Punt in the UK. I dont know much about them to be honest but they are a wild thing designed for sailing around on the Norfolk Broads. In development terms they followed the same pathway as the skiffs in the South Hemi but with different outcomes and perhaps not quite as exotic in construction terms. I reserve the right to be completely wrong on the last point.

 

  
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Originally posted by john.d.knight

When is a skiff not a skiff?

Hypothetical scenario – One builder of I14s develops a dominant design and lots of boats are sold.
Builder spots a marketing opportunity and sets up a smod class association and starts organising events for their particular boats.

So according to the rules of the skiff when the boat is sailing in a class race it’s not a skiff, because no development is allowed, but when sailing in an I14S race it’s a skiff.

Once you have setup your new "xyz" one design class within the I14 rules, all it will take is the next NEW faster design to make it obsolete. Take for example the beirker? hull in the I14 then every thing pre 2000 is to slow to compete in the I14 and the new class has to the go it alone.

I'm sure the I14 etc. classes wouldn't support a one design class racing within it due to the attempt of stifling development of the class.

The blokes saying that they don't "get" Aussie skiffs, should either;

1. get an understanding by either talking to us when downunder or the UK Cherub blokes

2. stop calling YOUR boats "skiffs", you admit that you don't understand what they are so how can you call your boat something that YOU clearly DON'T understand

I don't call your boats "punts" or any other name because apart form the Aussie designed boats, 49er, B14 etc I haven't a great idea about the boats you sail up there.
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bloody pop-up blocker just lost my post.

It was about 500 words can't believe.

Oh well in short 16's in reply to granite are trying to keep costs down bearing in mind a new one can cost between $35,000 and $50,000 depending on how much work you do yourself.

So you are right when you say it can't call itself a true development class.



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Ive got it!   not only was i right in the true skiff style being individual boat wise, but nowadays it seems any boat that has a high power to low weight ratio is a skiff, particulary those that spend 90%of their time on the plane (not sure bout upwind in cherub/12 etc but 14s, 18s 49ers etc all do?) for example you cannot call wanderer skiff like as it has a fair amount of power but it weighs an absoulte ton so wont plane (plus wrong shape hull)

Essentially a skif is designed to plane, take a look at all the hull designs!!!!!!!!!
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If I produce a one design based on the norfolk punt, will the "punt" name start being mis-used so much? I'm pretty sure all the boats you are talking about are "dinghies". Some are faster "dinghies" than others, and some come from roots which mean thay are classes called "18 foot skiff", or the like. Designers of fast "dinghies" have based their ideas on these boats, and therefore they are "skiff like" I suppose, but surely this is like saying the Comet Duo and Graduate  are "Firefly like". It doesn't mean you start describing all 2 sailed 12 foot boats as "fireflies" does it?

 
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When is a skiff not a skiff?

Hypothetical scenario – One builder of I14s develops a dominant design and lots of boats are sold.
Builder spots a marketing opportunity and sets up a smod class association and starts organising events for their particular boats.

So according to the rules of the skiff when the boat is sailing in a class race it’s not a skiff, because no development is allowed, but when sailing in an I14 race it’s a skiff.
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Not sure if a class which has a rule

2.4 Where a person proposes to build a skiff which:

(a) incorporates a design feature of the hull not expressly specified in the template drawings plans; or

(b) proposes using a material in the construction of a:

(i) hull; or

(ii) spar or

(iii) sail; or

(iv) centreboard; or

(v) rudder

not currently in use in skiffs already racing; then

(c) the owner must seek the approval of the Specifications Committee of the Australian Association before constructing the skiff.

can be described as a development class

 
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